James and Adam Speak Out about DW

Commander Shockwav · Post by **Commander Shockwav** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:09 pm

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthr ... adid=39073

Wow. Just wow.

Bingo1 · Post by **Bingo1** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:31 pm

Ouch. That's going to sting.

Pat Lee appears to be a highly unpopular man. I would recommend you all take a wee look at http://www.angelfire.com/pa/infrarred/.
It's chockfull of (unintentional) bitter irony, but beware - it contains a monstrous, monstrous ego.

And another thing, I always thought the thing about Pat and Roger's BMWs was just a joke. Until I came across this:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/colum ... ticle=2102

Post by **inflatable dalek** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:59 pm

But the bubble burst. Transformers, the property Patyk and McDonough helped lift to the highest levels of sales

Errr, didn't the sales steadily deciline after they took over?

Darth Zax · Post by **Darth Zax** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:14 pm

Originally posted by inflatable dalek
Errr, didn't the sales steadily deciline after they took over?

no

Originally posted by Bingo1
Ouch. That's going to sting.

Pat Lee appears to be a highly unpopular man. I would recommend you all take a wee look at http://www.angelfire.com/pa/infrarred/.
It's chockfull of (unintentional) bitter irony, but beware - it contains a monstrous, monstrous ego.

And another thing, I always thought the thing about Pat and Roger's BMWs was just a joke. Until I came across this:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/colum ... ticle=2102

BMW???

EDIT: wow! after seeing his homepage, all i got to say is:
ugh, what an ego this man has, and he treats it like ti's all normal, pat lee, all i wanna say is, you suck, big time.

Bingo1 · Post by **Bingo1** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:18 pm

Originally posted by Darth Zax

BMW???

Yup. Items 4 and 5 on the list. Over $100k between the two. Nice to see where the priorities lay, eh?

As opposed to, say, paying your staff.

RID Scourge · Post by **RID Scourge** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:53 pm

Wow, I just thought they were fiscally unresponsible. I had no idea that they were actually slandering their writers . . .

MCDONOUGH:Our question is: Where was that money going if they didn't pay us and they didn't pay everyone else?

me question is: Why aren't these DW higher-ups in jail right now?

StoneCold Skywarp · Post by **StoneCold Skywarp** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:05 pm

I love his inability to spell 'site' in the right sense...

Darth Zax · Post by **Darth Zax** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:10 pm

Originally posted by StoneCold Skywarp
I love his inability to spell 'site' in the right sense...

and thinking 'thank you' is one word

Bingo1 · Post by **Bingo1** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:24 pm

Originally posted by StoneCold Skywarp
I love his inability to spell 'site' in the right sense...

By that I take it you mean 'site' with an 'h,' preceded by 'a steaming great pile of'?;)

Darth Zax · Post by **Darth Zax** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:38 pm

Originally posted by Bingo1
By that I take it you mean 'site' with an 'h,' preceded by 'a steaming great pile of'?;)

'welcome to this ****e' lol

Bingo1 · Post by **Bingo1** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:40 pm

Originally posted by Darth Zax

'welcome to this ****e' lol

Aye, you're thinking on my wavelength, friend.

Bountyhunter · Post by **Bountyhunter** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:41 pm

Originally posted by RID Scourge
Wow, I just thought they were fiscally unresponsible. I had no idea that they were actually slandering their writers . . .

me question is: Why are these DW higher-ups in jail right now?

Confusion point?!? are they in jail? i did not here this. Maybe I missed something

the_escaflowne_2k · Post by **the_escaflowne_2k** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:29 pm

Originally posted by Bountyhunter
Confusion point?!? are they in jail? i did not here this. Maybe I missed something

I think he's missed the "n't" out as in "my question is this - why areN'T these DW higher ups in jail right now."

RID Scourge · Post by **RID Scourge** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:31 pm

Whoops. Yup. Fixed it.

Bountyhunter · Post by **Bountyhunter** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:30 pm

Originally posted by RID Scourge
Whoops. Yup. Fixed it.

Thanks, I read that and did not know what to think.

Bingo1 · Post by **Bingo1** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:02 pm

Some further digging, from http://www.comicbookresources.com/colum ... icle=2064, 10th January 2005

This is the Dreamwave letter sent out to freelancers on January the 3rd.

Dear Valued Sub-contractor,
We at Dreamwave Productions would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all of your hard work and dedication to our company. We could't have produced the high quality, exemplary work without you. You always will be a valued member of the Dreamwave team.

Some of our best work can be attributed to our outside contract artists. You should be extremely proud of your accomplishments. We have really appreciated the time and effort that you have put forth in making Dreamwave a notable publisher.

But, after careful consideration and deliberation we have arrived at the decision that continuing in the publishing market would only further damage Dreamwave Productions financially. And so, as a result, Dreamwave Productions has decided to cease publishing operations.

Effective immediately, production on all Dreamwave Production titles will stop. Invoices for any work produced, up to and including today should be forwarded to Dreamwave Productions for assessment. A letter of notification from the "receiving" company will be sent shortly to advise you on the terms of final payment.

Again, thank you. There would have been no Dreamwave Productions without your hard work and dedication. We wish you the best in all you future endeavors.

Sincerely,

Human Resources Department
Dreamwave Productions

Dreamwave Productions Inc.
Bus. 905.943.9912
Fax. 905.943.9916

http://www.Dreamwaveprod.com

Interestingly, Dreamwave doesn't have a Human Resources Department. There are no records that show Dreamwave has gone into receivership. And this is certainly not the type of legal letter that a company in receivership would send out. Could it be that Dream Engine, mentioned last week, will be the "receiving" company? And notice the "cease publishing operations" bit... that still leaves Dreamwave open for other activity.

However the website and phone numbers aren't working.

It appears that new Marvel jobs with Pat Lee and the Dreamwave artists (ghost pencillers, inkers, colorists) were actually signed under the Dream Engine name, meaning all Marvel cheques are going to Pat and Roger Lee's new company. Not to Dreamwave to pay off debts.

It's easy to be judgemental but that sort of practice just isn't on, is it?

Furthermore, from http://www.comicbookresources.com/colum ... icle=2033, 22nd November 2004:

... a poster purporting to be a Dreamwave staff member calling themselves The Puppet Master, posting, "(James), You were constantly talking **** about your colleagues. I'm sure you are aware of the many mistakes you made during your tenure at Dreamwave especially while you were in Canada. I'm going to give you a little advice (I somewhat owe it to you). As hard as you try to cover your tracks, if someone hates you they will tell all. Don't be so eager to burn those bridges because one day you're going to need them again.

"Adam, I never had the opportunity to meet you and all I have to say to you is, 'be careful.'

"For the both of you, just remember anything you have said and are about to say will just ruin your reputation (what is left of it).

"I have to say James, it was great watching you suffer during your final few months in Canada. I knew how miserable and lonely you were, I especially enjoyed watching all you colleagues, one by one turn on you."

And that sort of thing shouldn't even be dignified with a comment.

Darth Zax · Post by **Darth Zax** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:33 pm

wow!
just, wow!

Pun-3X · Post by **Pun-3X** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:24 am

Originally posted by Bingo1
And that sort of thing shouldn't even be dignified with a comment.

Yeah, sort of speaks for itself, doesn't it?

I just hope this all catches up to Pat in the end. The more this stuff circulates, the worse it's going to be.

Post by **inflatable dalek** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:22 pm

Incidently, is it me, or does Pat Lee's website look less like the official site of a top comicbook artist and more like a softcore porn site? I mean, how many topless photo's of him does the world need?

RID Scourge · Post by **RID Scourge** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:29 pm

Hmmm . . . kinda glad I don't frequent that site, then. Had all I could do to swallow my vomit after hearing that . . .