[War and Peace] How could Shockwave...

Cyberstrike nTo · Post by **Cyberstrike nTo** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 2:31 am

In DW G1 vol 2#6 Shockwave states that he caused the destruction of the Ark II ok but my question is: How?

I mean lets be realistic if he transformed in to his star canon mode and fired it from Cybertron orbit would be quite illogical for
several reasons the first one being:

The distance now I don't recall if Dreamwave gave a general place
where Cyberton is in the universe but think about it. Even if he had fore-knowledge of the Ark II's launch it still would have to space and not anything and in our solar system alone there is an orit cloud about 7 planets (and moons) and an asteroid belt that
would be a one hell of a trick shot to say the least.

He could have planted a bomb again the question is:
How would get to Earth undected and place a bomb?
Since he didn't seem to have a space bridge around and I find it very unlikey that he would jouney to Earth plant a bomb and fly back home without someone seeing him.
A fifty-foot tall robot with one hand and one light for a face wouldn't be hard to not to spot.

Brad Mick better have one hell of an explantion for this.
Suggestions thoughts opinions anyone?

RID Scourge · Post by **RID Scourge** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:47 am

Well, he could have been monitoring the TFs on earth (probably realized that they'd been reactivated) undetected with some kind of cloaking device (or they simply weren't looking because they didn't suspect anything). When he saw the Ark II, he shot it down, and went back to Cybertron. With the huge gap in time that they lay dormant, he would have been able to make it back.

Grandmaster Shockwaeve · Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:55 am

spoilers in thread title = not a good idea...

I can't remember when that issue came out, but it seems that it's recent enough to be more prudent than that....

Post by **Warcry** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:16 am

Originally posted by PaladinPrime
Well, he could have been monitoring the TFs on earth (probably realized that they'd been reactivated) undetected with some kind of cloaking device (or they simply weren't looking because they didn't suspect anything). When he saw the Ark II, he shot it down, and went back to Cybertron. With the huge gap in time that they lay dormant, he would have been able to make it back.

Yeah. Except that General Hallo blew up the damn ship too. He would have been watching to make sure it exploded. And if he had noticed a gigantic laser beam blasting the ship out of the sky, he certainly did a wonderful job ignoring it entirely...

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:39 am

Hallo was Shockwave in disguise.

Either that or Mick is pissing over Saraccini's work. Red Alert present on Cybertron after first Ark's crash? Yeah sure.

CounterPunch · Post by **CounterPunch** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:30 pm

i think either

1, brad disregarded all of chris' stupid explanations or
2, shockwave somehow manipulated hallo into either thinking he did or actually blowing up the ship. as in set forth a chain of events which he knew would lead to the destruction of the ark II

Post by **Denyer** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:15 pm

Either version isn't exactly rife with depth of plot...

Bombshell · Post by **Bombshell** » Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:33 pm

Originally posted by Denyer
Either version isn't exactly rife with depth of plot...

Not unlike the series as a whole...

Lambda prime · Post by **Lambda prime** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:25 pm

Shockwave in space gun mode fires upon the Ark 2 from orbit and goes down to collect cdertain con's like Blitzwing. Or he manipulates Halo with a advanced hypno chip.

To be honest Dreamwave G1 is screwed up. Volume one was meant to be set after the events of the second cartoon series towards the movie. But volume 2 makes on that the original 18 Autobots, plus the Dinobots and Aerialbots crashed on Earth. Season 2 Autobots (Most from 1985's catalogue like Powerglide, Skids, Red alert, Tracks) havent even been to Earth. In Volume 2 we saw a mix of characters from 1985-86's toy catalogues.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:52 pm

Originally posted by Lambda prime
Volume one was meant to be set after the events of the second cartoon series towards the movie.

It was? Or was it fans who said that it must fit before TF:TM? Dreamwave oficially stated that they're doing a new continuity in the middle of first mini, if I remember correctly.

What's sad, some of fans still don't take it as a fact, and say that Saraccini was writing it to fit in the cartoon, and then that stupid Mick came, severed from 'cartoon' continuity and ruined it all. Bad Mick. Naughty naughty.

Transfannabeel · Post by **Transfannabeel** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 5:47 am

volume one was great, but I think it was a mistake to change writers if the two stories are supposed to be connected, and one question if the two volumes are connected then how come wheeljack is alive again?

Gruff · Post by **Gruff** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 5:47 am

who's to say that Shockwave didnt use Bombshell and have Hallo possessed with a cerebro shell and control him that way.

Using Hallo as an active monitor on earth via bombshell would allow him to keep an eye on the Transformers situation there and remove his 2 main opponents in Prime and Megatron.

Lambda prime · Post by **Lambda prime** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:43 am

Dreamwave should have started from scratch, or acknowledge that it all started in the cartoon's three part start.
Also Wheeljack may have comatose or in stasis lock (Same thing only when a Transformers energon run's low) beside's readfing his bio in 'More then meet's the eye' kind of explain's his survival, he face's death all the time with his experiment's.
Let's hope G1 ongoing rounds off its stories and that writer's do their homework.

Transfannabeel · Post by **Transfannabeel** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 12:20 am

I just reread all G1 vol.2 issues and It isn't clear that Hallo was being manipulated by Shockwave, and something I found intresting reading it a second time was that things seemed to fit together better and it seems like Scourge( in dreamwaves world at least) could be alpha trion's dark side. There is definetly a connection.

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