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just got back from watching it and i thought it was...awesome! Kirk was brilliant, spock was spot on, McCoy guy has evidently stolen Deforest kelly's eyes and sulu was...well he didn't really do much, and simon pegg was...simon pegg.

a welcome update to the star trek universe and kudos to the fact it gave a massive f**k you to any uber trekkies who were ready to wine about continuity.

It's comments like that that really make me hate this movie... seriously.

Edit: Clarification here... why is it that everyone who sees the need to say how 'awesome' this film is insist on shitting on everyone who may be skeptical, or - heaven forbid - actually like the last 40 years of Trek (or some of it, anyway) and is a bit annoyed that the plot of the bloody thing is to literally erase it from ever having happened.

It's been a long time since I've delved into the Trek U aside from watching the tv shows on dvd.........is Rick Berman still playing the red headed stepchild of Roddenbury nowadays? Or did they totally kick him to the curb and let Abrams take full reign?

Prowl1984 wrote:a welcome update to the star trek universe and kudos to the fact it gave a massive f**k you to any uber trekkies who were ready to wine about continuity.

You realise that makes you sound like a massive twat, yes?

Zeeks wrote:It's been a long time since I've delved into the Trek U aside from watching the tv shows on dvd.........is Rick Berman still playing the red headed stepchild of Roddenbury nowadays? Or did they totally kick him to the curb and let Abrams take full reign?

Berman was let go pretty much as soon as Enterprise died a unloved death. He did make vague "Other projects on the go" comments and promised a warts and all book but it's all gone very quiet. mind, he must be well into his 60's by now and may have just decided to retire.

TFVanguard wrote: Edit: Clarification here... why is it that everyone who sees the need to say how 'awesome' this film is insist on shitting on everyone who may be skeptical, or - heaven forbid - actually like the last 40 years of Trek (or some of it, anyway) and is a bit annoyed that the plot of the bloody thing is to literally erase it from ever having happened.

Well, if it makes you feel better Ebterprise is left intact as it pre-dates all the time travelling in the film. There's something wonderfully perverse about that...

i love star trek, through and through,well with the exception of enterprise but you've gotta admit the films were getting gradually worse. A Film with the original crew was needed to revamp it and they needed to do it free from the constraints of what had gone before, i thought it was brilliantly done and has captured the essence of the show and characters brilliantly.

I think that's part of what makes me (and possibly Vanguard as well) feel a little out of step with current thinking on Star Trek, that it can only ever work with Kirk. I can see why people think that, it's been a long time since Trek was consistently good (the end of DS9) and even longer since it's been more than background noise to most people (First Contact at a pinch, possibly even All Good Things) so it's easy to forget now how amazingly popular Nex Gen was at the time. I suddenly feel the same as I do as a Doctor Who fan who grew up with McCoy who's constantly having to put up with the received wisdom that the show stopped being good when tom Baker left.

However, that's not the fault of the film itself, and I do like a lot of what I'm hearing about the film's intent, to give Trek that much needed kick up the arse and bring it into the 21st Century for the very first time. My only real worry is I've never been able to connect with any of the director's other stuff. But I want it to be a success, and I hope to want sequels (mainly because I want a Borg film free from a decade of them being slowly ruined).

Saw it last night and liked it a lot more than I thought I would. I thought the re-boot was handled well. The Time traveling thing was plausible. The Acting was good and the movie never really slowed down. The Battle scenes were nice but too many viewings of Reveng of the Sith have dampened the excitement of cgi space battles.

Good movie and a welcome change. I liked it. It wasn't as exciting to me as TRANSFORMERS wa back in 07, but still quite good.

hmm my first post was a little aggressive...but there's nothing wrong with the word awesome especially as it's exactly what i thought the film was. I just like the fact that we've (possibly) got a whole load of new star trek to look forward to without being confined to what's gone before. i loved the previous series and it's various incarnations but i also love the idea of a fresh start for the franchise. for instance now that Vulcans are an endangered species the socio-political playing field in the federation has changed drastically with various species moving to take advantage of this, most likely the Romulans, they've created so many possibilities with this film i can't help but be excited.

Most Excellent! I was initially worried about the time-travel thing, but it was handled beautifully. There were plenty of homages for old-school fans (the whole theater lost it at McCoy's "I'm a doctor line"), but enough new and interesting content that it didn't feel stale.

Now, I'd really like to see this crew together for a sequel, or a TV series.

TFVanguard wrote:
Why is it that everyone who sees the need to say how 'awesome' this film is insist on shitting on everyone who may be skeptical, or - heaven forbid - actually like the last 40 years of Trek (or some of it, anyway) and is a bit annoyed that the plot of the bloody thing is to literally erase it from ever having happened.

I was skeptical at first, considering the (generously) mediocre performance of the last couple films, but I honestly think this one was very good. Also, there's at least one line of dialogue in the film that clearly mentions that this film is a parallel or alternate reality (neatly side-stepping several time paradoxes). So, I don't really feel that the previous Trek series are now null and void. I mean, alternate universes have been cannon since "Mirror, Mirror" aired, yeah?

that was mostly perfect. By a happy coincidence my own Trek watch through had reached Unification so I was well pimped for Ambassador Spock. Most everyone was well cast and brought their own take to the role without doing impressions (with one exception...).

The Enterprise was gorgeous and thankfully the ILM boys knew when to go for fast cut action and when to do spaceship porn shots. And Pegg and his comedy assistant was brilliant, "Do you have sandwiches there?".

Bad points: Nero was a bit dull, the science was complete nonsense even by Star Trek standards (a super nova threatening to destroy the galaxy! Spock being on a planet so close to Vulcan it looks like a moon yet being strangely unworried about it turning into a black hole, creating black holes with red stuff...), McCoy was the only one doing a full on impression of the original actor and as such seemed to have escaped from a sketch show (the "I'm a Doctor..." bit was forced in a way Pegg's "I'm giving it all I've got!" wasn't) and for the Kobyashi Maru gag to work we needed to see at least one of Kirk's failed attempts rather than rely on people remembering the second film for what's supposed to be happening.

That's all little niggles for the most part though. I'll even let of Kirk's insanely massive promotion at the end if we assume Star Fleet lost a hell of a lot of command staff in the battle for Vulcan. Though surely it should have been Pine rather than Nimoy doing the final voiceover? Interesting they used the Next Generation "Where no one" version as well.

Oh, and buy shares in Nokia and Budweiser, they'll still be going by the 23rd Century.

Actually, speaking of the dating, was it me or did they get a bit confused on the difference between a Star Date and the actual Earth calender date? At least twice when someone gets asked a star date they reply with the year...

inflatable dalek wrote:Well, if it makes you feel better Ebterprise is left intact as it pre-dates all the time travelling in the film. There's something wonderfully perverse about that...

Oddly, no. Enterprise requires First Contact to have happened, which no longer does... so even that's largely out the window. Granted, it's not like there are more than five people who care anyway...

So, I don't really feel that the previous Trek series are now null and void. I mean, alternate universes have been cannon since "Mirror, Mirror" aired, yeah?

I really don't mind a reboot, and knew it was coming for a long time now. (Enterprise was originally going to be a reboot, after all). I just wish that they had simply just done the reboot outright rather than go out of their way to 'erase timelines' - particularly since it encourages that 'we hate all things Trek older than last week' crowd the way that it does.

For me, this is just a DVD popcorn flick, and thus it shall be. I like my home setup better than the theatres anyway.

inflatable dalek wrote: for the Kobyashi Maru gag to work we needed to see at least one of Kirk's failed attempts rather than rely on people remembering the second film for what's supposed to be happening.

That scene did irritate me a little. I thought it was a bit overplayed with him nonchalantly munching an apple, then besting the scenerio with no effort at all. I know it was played for laughs; I just felt it would have been more interesting if it were played straight, with Spock accusing him of cheating without any real evidence.

I just knew that the USS Kelvin was going down. Reason: AN ODD NUMBER OF WARP NACELLES:swirly:!

TFVanguard wrote:I really don't mind a reboot, and knew it was coming for a long time now. (Enterprise was originally going to be a reboot, after all). I just wish that they had simply just done the reboot outright rather than go out of their way to 'erase timelines' - particularly since it encourages that 'we hate all things Trek older than last week' crowd the way that it does.

I think a straight remake would have been the most straight forward option as well, but fair play to them they do pull it off. There is a throwaway line emphasising this is a alternate Universe to assure fans the old continuity is still out there (probably a meta textual way of saying "Even if you don't like this you've still got the DVDs of the old stuff), though it doesn't get dwelled on and as such I've seen page and pages debating the meaning of just that line on another forum.

I was expecting old Spock (I'm not calling him Spock Prime, that just sounds silly...) to either die or bugger of back to his own dimension. The fact he seems to be de facto Vulcan leader now was a surprise, and I guess leaves him open to appear again. At the least he should be giving some useful advice to Star Fleet to help the Enterprise avoid going through reruns of their old adventures ("Leave the Botany Bay well alone, shove some explosives down the mouth of the Doomsday Machine, V'Ger is Voyager, Chang did it").

TFVanguard wrote:Oddly, no. Enterprise requires First Contact to have happened, which no longer does... so even that's largely out the window. Granted, it's not like there are more than five people who care anyway...

Archer and his dog get name checks in the new film, the former exiling Scotty to Delta Vega for doing something horrible to the latter.

Actually, name checking the planet from Where No Man Has Gone Before was a injoke that didn't work for me as they looked completely different and appear to be in different parts of the galaxy (one out in the sticks, the other a moon of Vulcan).

Archer and his dog get name checks in the new film, the former exiling Scotty to Delta Vega for doing something horrible to the latter.

Ah, but it's not the timeline the Enterprise had. I know, this crap'll make your head explode...

I thouroughly enjoyed it.

Laughed quite a bit through the whole thing.

I didn't get all the in jokes, but did get some and remebered the Koyobashi Morou.

My brother made an astute comment that when they were getting ready for the sky dive that the guy in red was going to die.

Of course he was. He was a red shirt! Why didn't I see that sooner?

Baxter wrote:

My brother made an astute comment that when they were getting ready for the sky dive that the guy in red was going to die.

Of course he was. He was a red shirt!

The real question is: why did they give the red shirt all their explosives!