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Old 2002-12-06, 04:14 AM   #1
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Default The Transformer Death List

Transformers:

Optimus Prime (1)
Ironhide
Ratchet
Prowl
Brawn
Windcharger
Starscream (1)
Unicron(1)

2010:

Teletran 1 and the Ark
Starscream (2)
Optimus Prime (2)

Headmasters:

Ultra Magnus
Galvatron
Optimus Prime (3)
Pounce and Wingspan
Cybertron

Super God Masterforce:

Giga and Mega
Black Zarak (Devil Z) (1)
Sixknight

Victory:

God Ginrai
Deszaras
Lio Kaiser

Zone (OVA):

Devestator
King Poseidon
Predaking
Trypticon

Zone (Manga):

Violent Jigar
Bruticus
Overlord
Abominus
Menasor
Black Zarak (Devil Z) (2)

Beast Wars:

Optimus Primal (1)
Terrorsaur
Scorponok

Beast Wars II:

Lio Convoy
Apache
Diver
Bighorn
Scuba
Tasmanian Kid
Magnaboss
BW Galvatron
Seacons
Majin Zarak

Beast Wars Neo:

Unicron (2)
Blentrons

Beast Wars Metals:

Depth Charge
Rampage
Tarantulas
Tigerhawk
Dinobot
Quickstrike
Inferno
Ravage
Transmetal 2 Dinobot

Beast Machines:

Optimus Primal (2)
BW Megatron
Rhinox
Noble

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Notes:

-The characters in Zone were refered to as "Rebron Destron Generals" however most of their first deaths were never shown. Since they were never shown I have no place to list their original deaths.

-This only marks deaths in the MAIN continuity. So no comics/manga deaths (except Zone since it's the only won that fits in with the series continutiy) or alternate tv series deaths (if there are any).

-With the exception of a few, all the characters who died in BWII were brought back at the end of BWNeo....somehow.

-I did not list Wheeljack since he popped up in Victory alive and well with many lines and lots of screen time.

-If not obvious, I followed the Japanese timeline since it is the most extensive and placing the American stuff in that timeline really isn't difficult at all.

-Megatron became Galvatron then died in Headmasters so he is only listed once.

The End.
 
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Old 2002-12-06, 04:17 AM   #2
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Nice going, Spengs.
 
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Old 2002-12-06, 08:21 AM   #3
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Bah, thats not enough deaths if you ask me!
 
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Old 2002-12-06, 08:40 AM   #4
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Can what happened to Primal at the end of BM really count as death?
 
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Old 2002-12-06, 12:09 PM   #5
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Default Re: The Transformer Death List

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Transformers:

Ironhide
Ratchet
Prowl
Brawn
Windcharger



I'm not an expert but since The Movie hasn't been part of Japan continuity and you followed it, than you shouldn't consider those as dead. You already pointed Wheeljack, and I read somewhere. that Prowl was also seen in Headmsters or Victory. But like I said I'm not an expert so let someone who knows better correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Old 2002-12-06, 05:00 PM   #6
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I'm not an expert but since The Movie hasn't been part of Japan continuity and you followed it, than you shouldn't consider those as dead. You already pointed Wheeljack, and I read somewhere. that Prowl was also seen in Headmsters or Victory. But like I said I'm not an expert so let someone who knows better correct me if I'm wrong.
Actually, Transformers the Movie is considered a part of the Japanese continuity.

In 1986 they needed to bridge the gap between Scramble City and the upcoming 2010 series. To do so they had to find a quick and cheap way to kill Convoy and turn Megatron into Galvatron. Their solution: the Ultra-crappy Scramble City 2. Using the least bit of effort, stock footage and lousy stop motion with the toys they put this peice of **** together.

Then in 1990 they FINALLY got the rights to Transformers the Movie. They released it in theaters as "Matrix Forever". They considered it "retro-active". So basically they swept Scramble City 2 under the rug and Matrix Forever took it's place.

As far as Prowl showing up in Headmasters, that's just an animation error. He had no lines and his appearance was brief. Just like Brawn showing up in 2010. A screw up by the animators. It happens.

Hope I could help.
 
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Old 2002-12-06, 06:22 PM   #7
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If I remember correctly, Quicksilver's Jap TF FAQ states that the movie was considered alt. universe. But that's only hearsay. I won't say that as a fact until he spots this thread by himself and drills your list full of holes.
 


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Old 2002-12-06, 06:31 PM   #8
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Hmm, my info for that came from Doug Dlin, but there's no reason why Spengs can't be correct... that said, the info on my site, in the FAQ etc. will remain so until I have some solid proof either way... Spengs can read Japanese now, which I can't, so it's quite possible something in Generations or whatever says otherwise... But wouldn't the opening of Headmasters blow the movie thory out of the water?

oh, and in Headmasters it's Convoy and Seibertron, plus Devastar and Dinosaurer in Zone
 
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Old 2002-12-06, 06:37 PM   #9
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This certainly shows Spengs hasn't been here all that long...someone wanna show him the graphics?

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Old 2002-12-06, 08:52 PM   #10
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Well thanks for ruining Beast Wars for me Spengs you bastard!
 

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Old 2002-12-07, 12:40 AM   #11
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This certainly shows Spengs hasn't been here all that long...someone wanna show him the graphics?

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Old 2002-12-07, 12:43 AM   #12
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"Megatron gave me a second chance! Eat that, Auto-Creeps!"
Traitors! Never liked 'em anyway.
 
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Old 2002-12-07, 02:30 AM   #13
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How were the other Destron Generals killed in the Zone manga, manga?
 


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Old 2002-12-07, 06:06 PM   #14
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"Megatron gave me a second chance! Eat that, Auto-Creeps!"

- Torsten
One of the best things I have ever seen.

But in the back of Generations there is a timeline/episode guide which places the movie between SC1 and 2010 and makes no mention of SC2.

It goes:

Transformers

Scramble City!

Transformers the Movie

2010

It does place Rebirth after 2010 and before Headmasters but makes mention that it is not a part of their official timeline.

Hope that provided some proof. Meh. I'll believe whatever I want to believe!
 
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Old 2002-12-07, 06:13 PM   #15
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I suppose it's kinda marked as a personal choice thing, like the differing comic onctinuities, though I will add mention of that Generations timeline when I next update the FAQ...
 
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Old 2002-12-07, 06:31 PM   #16
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I suppose it's kinda marked as a personal choice thing, like the differing comic onctinuities, though I will add mention of that Generations timeline when I next update the FAQ...
Sweet. I made a difference!

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Old 2002-12-07, 08:03 PM   #17
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Hmmm, not what I expected...I was looking for the sig attachments, the "Supporter of the Brawn is alive campaign" and the "Supporter of the Face it he's dead campaign". Ah well. Nice grab, Nevermore.
 
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Old 2002-12-08, 01:11 AM   #18
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He isn't dead dammit >.>
 
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Old 2002-12-08, 05:05 PM   #19
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Great!
<Ironhide< is alive as well!

- Torsten
 

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Old 2002-12-08, 06:13 PM   #20
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*sigh*

Were the animators at Toei stupid or did they just not care?
 
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