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Old 2003-03-22, 07:41 PM   #21
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... and strangely enough they give most characters something called 'characterisation' ...
 

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Old 2003-03-22, 08:14 PM   #22
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Ive seen some bad series and dont count on any of the first generation to fall under the worst. Beast wars sucked. That Fox version of Transformers is alittle confusing. Armada is average.........until they come up with a revised version of g1 all of them have alot of catching up to do.
 
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Old 2003-03-22, 08:30 PM   #23
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Beast Wars sucked? Why?
Fox one was confusing? Why?

Back up your claims with reasons, and people shalt take you more seriously.

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Old 2003-03-22, 08:45 PM   #24
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Beast Wars sucked? Why?
Fox one was confusing? Why?

Back up your claims with reasons, and people shalt take you more seriously.

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being taken seriously doesn't have to be backed by facts. Those claims are all opinions. They are mine and need no reasoning. But if you want to know. Beast wars was a short series, should have been longer as a series.......it was more of a mini-series. Confusion on the part of the Japanese animation version of TF..well sometimes i confuse it with armada when im drunk. Nonetheless, it doesnt hold the power of the punch as do armada.

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Old 2003-03-22, 08:53 PM   #25
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being taken seriously doesn't have to be backed by facts. Those claims are all opinions. They are mine and need no reasoning.
Sorry, not done the way you think it is here. If you say a broadbrush statement like that without backup, it's going to get shot down. You must back an opinion up with facts, or it's an inaccurate statement, and you will get called for it.

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But if you want to know. Beast wars was a short series, should have been longer as a series.......it was more of a mini-series. Confusion on the part of the Japanese animation version of TF..well sometimes i confuse it with armada when im drunk. Nonetheless, it doesnt hold the power of the punch as do armada.
A mini-series lasts 52 episodes? Eh? And what are you on about with "Japanese animation version of TF"? You're aware that Beast Wars* doesn't look anything like Japanese animation?

* = as in Beast Wars, rather than II or Neo or whatever...
 
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Old 2003-03-22, 09:01 PM   #26
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A mini-series lasts 52 episodes? Eh? And what are you on about with "Japanese animation version of TF"? You're aware that Beast Wars* doesn't look anything like Japanese animation?

* = as in Beast Wars, rather than II or Neo or whatever...
the fox version was a cartoon. beast wars computer animated. i know. 52 compared to g1. not enough.
 
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Old 2003-03-22, 09:06 PM   #27
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the fox version was a cartoon. beast wars computer animated. i know. 52 compared to g1. not enough.

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Old 2003-03-22, 09:34 PM   #28
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I think the "Fox Series" that he's refering to is RID. I don't see how that was confusing, though. I followed it very easily. The plot wasn't that hard to follow. Then again, the original series didn't have a plot, so maybe you could say that RID was confusing, compared to the original.
 
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Old 2003-03-22, 09:46 PM   #29
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Story wise Robots in Disgues
animation wise G1
 



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Old 2003-03-22, 11:35 PM   #30
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I think the "Fox Series" that he's refering to is RID. I don't see how that was confusing, though. I followed it very easily. The plot wasn't that hard to follow. Then again, the original series didn't have a plot, so maybe you could say that RID was confusing, compared to the original.
I can almost see it:

"I don't get it. This whole RID make sense. It sucks!!"
 
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Old 2003-03-23, 01:14 AM   #31
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Beast wars was a short series, should have been longer as a series.......it was more of a mini-series.
Well considering Beast Machines was in fact a season 4 & 5 of Beast Wars the 2 combine to make a rather impresive 78 episodes.

So that is 78 episodes that actually follow a decent continuity (they tend to agree with each other about 90+% of the time which is about 89% more than the original G1 cartoon). The characters all get development and are interesting, also this means you can tell the difference between the personality of Rattrap or Dinobot - something G1 couldn't, I mean whats the difference in personality between Trailbreaker and Bluestreak?

The use of CGI meant animation errors were almost non-existant as oppossed to a regular occurence in the original series.

Also limiting yourself to just G1 and Armada is limiting yourself

G1 -> 98 eps
Beast Wars -> 52 eps
Beast Machines -> 26 eps
Robots in Disguise (Car Robots) -> 39 eps
Armada -> ?
G1 Comics (UK) -> 332 issues + multiple annuals each filled with about 5 stories (I think)
G2 Comics (USA) -> 12 Issues
G1 Comics (Dreamwave) -> 6 Issues
War Within Comic -> 6 Issues
Armada Comic -> ?
Ladybird Books -> 4 I think
Headmasters -> 35
Masterforce -> 42
Victory -> 32
Scramble city/ Zone/ & other I can't remember
Beast Wars 2 -> ?
Beast Wars Neo -> ?
Beast Wars 2 Movie

Also non-official stuff:
Botcon comics -> no idea, 3-4??? a few none the less
Transmasters Universe -> Loads and Loads of material
Eugenesis -> Transformer Novel based on the Transmaster Universe

There could be more tf stuff but this is all I can think off right now. Just limiting yourself to the cartoon is a bad idea, there is so much good stuff out there
 

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Old 2003-03-23, 02:37 AM   #32
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Compy, you forgot Scramble City II.

Not like it's worth remembering though; I've been trying to forget it since I saw it, to no avail...
 
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Old 2003-03-23, 03:47 AM   #33
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wasnt beast wars 3 seasons? or am i just losing it?
 

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Old 2003-03-23, 03:50 AM   #34
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wasnt beast wars 3 seasons? or am i just losing it?
Yeah, Beast Wars had three-seasons...
 
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Old 2003-03-23, 04:14 AM   #35
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then i really wouldnt call it a mini series
 

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Old 2003-03-23, 04:23 AM   #36
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Old 2003-03-27, 12:06 PM   #37
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Armada and RiD are the ones i would have to say are the worst! I don't know what the hell they did to optimus prime and megatron... but they basically rip off the originals and make them crappy... the original G-1 cartoon was the best and always will be
 
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Old 2003-03-27, 01:17 PM   #38
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Back that up. Go on. Why is it the best?
 
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Old 2003-03-27, 02:48 PM   #39
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I Think Armada'a The Worst, But i'd have to say that they've got a good storyline going, But the problem is they're not taking advantage of that with all the bad dialog & characterization plus all the those kids as the spotlight of the show gives it the feel of a Pokemon kinda show.
 
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Old 2003-03-27, 09:07 PM   #40
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uh oh, i think quicky is about to open up a can of 'beast wars nazi' on lady P...
 
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