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Old 2005-03-25, 05:31 AM   #21
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Thing is, the odd "Peter can't be arsed" issue or so in the comic does no harm when well done... but when it takes up most of a two-hour film that'll be all the Spidey big-screen action for a couple of years... argh. Like I say, I really didn't even bother to find out why, or watch Spidey inevitably kicking Doc Ock's ass, as the cleverest explanation wouldn't have been worth sitting through that crap...
 
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Old 2005-03-28, 04:20 PM   #22
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I actuallt couldn't finish Spidey 2. The start was good, but then there's about four hours or Parker losing his powers and turning into a moping little cock. I really could not be arsed to finish the thing.
Exactly. The movie sucks. Every single character is depressed and hateful for no reason, the villain is just a plot device and nothing more...the only upside are a few of the action sequences. That's it.
 

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Old 2005-03-28, 10:11 PM   #23
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Several people at Sony have confirmed that Thomas Haden Church will indeed be playing Sandman.
 

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Old 2005-03-28, 10:16 PM   #24
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.the only upside are a few of the action sequences. That's it.
Even then the CGI is spotty at best, and barely watchable.

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Overall, we thought the whole movie was rather well-written.
Because it's predictable?
 

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Old 2005-04-16, 01:29 PM   #25
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On one of our portals it says that Hayden Church will indeed play Sandman. It also says that the name of the guy who'll turn into Sandman is Clint Marko. I remember Sandman's aliases in comics and neither of them was it.

Anyway, according to this unofficial information, there's going to be second villian in Spider-Man 3, too, and it will be Hobgoblin. It won't be Harry Osborn though, it will be Roderick Kingsley. Strange, considering what happened at the end of second part.
 

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Old 2005-04-16, 03:58 PM   #26
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Wasn't Eddie Brock mentioned in the very first film in Jameson's office? It's been awhile since I've watched it, but I thought I remembered him getting a verbal mention in that...?
 

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Old 2005-04-16, 04:55 PM   #27
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Dudes sandman sucks, he only became an interesting character for me when he switched between evil and good. plus any character who's weakness is water is going to end up in a lame and frighfully predictable ending. although i agree that he would look cool on film.

I hate Raimi for not introducing Brock earlier on in the series and even more so for actually hating Venom, he's the best character asides from Norman Osbourne and Kane. But then again i suppose John Jameson would work out too, it's just a shame it isnt going to happen.
 



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Old 2005-04-16, 05:24 PM   #28
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Venom's great. The first time he turns up. After that, they just wouldn't let the idea die. Spider-Man in general suffers from ludircous overuse of potentially interesting villains.
 
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Old 2005-04-16, 06:54 PM   #29
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Venom's great. The first time he turns up. After that, they just wouldn't let the idea die. Spider-Man in general suffers from ludircous overuse of potentially interesting villains.
True story...like the constant return of Norman Osbourne plotline, same goes for Doc Ock...who lke G.G "died" and came back to life. in fact the majority of the spidey villains seem to have "died "and come back to life at some point.
 



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Old 2005-04-16, 07:10 PM   #30
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Dudes sandman sucks, he only became an interesting character for me when he switched between evil and good. plus any character who's weakness is water is going to end up in a lame and frighfully predictable ending. although i agree that he would look cool on film.

I hate Raimi for not introducing Brock earlier on in the series and even more so for actually hating Venom, he's the best character asides from Norman Osbourne and Kane. But then again i suppose John Jameson would work out too, it's just a shame it isnt going to happen.
Kane?
 

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Old 2005-04-16, 07:24 PM   #31
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It also says that the name of the guy who'll turn into Sandman is Clint Marko. I remember Sandman's aliases in comics and neither of them was it.
One of his aliases was Flint Marko, right? In which case, could've just been a mistype on the part of that portal.

Either way, I'm a bit ticked. Sandman never struck me as interesting; he's merely a thug given superpowers, like Shocker. He turns up either a) on his own, when the writers can't think of a clever plotline so they just make him break out of prison and rob a bank or something, or b) as part of the Sinister Syndicate or similar Legion Of Evil Nasty Folk.

However, I have some faith that Raimi could make him interesting.
 


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Old 2005-04-16, 09:43 PM   #32
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One of his aliases was Flint Marko, right? In which case, could've just been a mistype on the part of that portal.
No, it was my misread...

I remember William Baker or something similar, and I think I have seen one other, but it wasn't Marko, but then again I didn't read many Spider-Man comics.

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Kaine, he turned up in the Spider-Man comics in the 90's during the so called Clone Saga.
 

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Old 2005-04-16, 09:46 PM   #33
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I vould go for a film with sandman in it as I love both spider-man films to pieces and I think Raimi just has a knack for potraying the villians anyway. but it kind of comes to a dissapointment if thisis indeed a main villian as there are more "higher tiered" spider-villians that raimi could have show up. however as this is all in the rumour stage it could be anything.


while this has nothing to do with his movie time It really irritates me that they changed him bad again in the comics.
 

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Old 2005-04-16, 11:31 PM   #34
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A Villain I'd love to see in a new Spidey film, and my fave Spider-Man Villain at that, is Mysterio.
In the original ASM comics, he was kickass, same as the 60s cartoon series. Too bad they later made him into a wuss in the comics...so much potential there.
 

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Old 2005-04-17, 12:12 AM   #35
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So called? it was one of the best spidey saga's ever, real dark and pretty disturbing in places. Kaine was awsome until he was unmasked, he did kill Doc Ock after all
 



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Old 2005-04-17, 12:49 AM   #36
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You know.... you guys bring up interesting things about spider-man 2 that I didn't really notice til after I saw the movie. It's a good movie for doing what it supposed to (being a sequel) and having continuity and furthering along some of the storylines from movie 1. The movie just failed for making Peter Parker a sympathetic character and making the audience subject to endless humiliation and failures of that man. I also think it's MaGuire's fault for not being funny enough in the movie. Tobey's too much of a serious drama actor and Peter needs to be funny to make the audience relate to him. The second movie has some great action sequences...better than the first...and ending was good too but just can't stand most of the time Spider-Man isn't on screen.

I am looking forward to Sandman and Hobgoblin as the villains (according to superherohype.com) and I think it's gonna be less story and more action. If not well they can get Topher Grace (from That 70s Show) to replace Tobey in the next movie.

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Old 2005-04-17, 01:17 AM   #37
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You know.... you guys bring up interesting things about spider-man 2 that I didn't really notice til after I saw the movie. It's a good movie for doing what it supposed to (being a sequel) and having continuity and furthering along some of the storylines from movie 1. The movie just failed for making Peter Parker a sympathetic character and making the audience subject to endless humiliation and failures of that man. I also think it's MaGuire's fault for not being funny enough in the movie. Tobey's too much of a serious drama actor and Peter needs to be funny to make the audience relate to him. The second movie has some great action sequences...better than the first...and ending was good too but just can't stand most of the time Spider-Man isn't on screen.
I think you're out of your frickin mind. I disagree with everything you just said.

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I am looking forward to Sandman and Hobgoblin as the villains (according to superherohype.com) and I think it's gonna be less story and more action. If not well they can get Topher Grace (from That 70s Show) to replace Tobey in the next movie.
No, they can't. Tobey's contractually obliged to do 3 spidey films.
 

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Old 2005-04-17, 01:29 AM   #38
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I think you're out of your frickin mind. I disagree with everything you just said.
Well to each his own. That's my opinion anyway. Take it as you will.

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I know.. what I meant is that Tobey can do the third movie and if the quality goes down and/or the box office declined Raimi can think about another guy to take his place. Spider-Man is too big a franchise to end at 3 movies so we'll probably see the fourth movie with some cast changes and maybe new direction. It's not like I don't like Tobey but I just wish he's got some comedic talent to make those wisecracking we all know Spidey can make.
 

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Old 2005-04-17, 01:42 AM   #39
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It's not like I don't like Tobey but I just wish he's got some comedic talent to make those wisecracking we all know Spidey can make.
To be fair it's never been scripted. Also so far Spided has thought two costumes in 2 years (film time) and so super villians are hardly a regular thing for Spidey to get in making wisecracks. Plus the villians have tended to be highly personnal and catch Spidey at his lowest moments.

Beside wisecracks are made in every bloody Sci Fi or horror film and tend to take away the threat of the villian.
If a villian comes in who is susposed to be scary just gets wise ass jokes thrown at him isn't going to sell the villian or the threat very well.
In a catagory of film that has trouble selling villians as anything other than camp to the general public it's not a good thing. Every villian who has made an impact in cinema has never had wisecracking teens or hero's taking the pi## out of them. Nobody cracked funny at Darth Vader, The Alien, The Terminator, Lector, Bates, The Joker etc. Funny enough they are considered the best villians of all time.
 

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So called? it was one of the best spidey saga's ever, real dark and pretty disturbing in places. Kaine was awsome until he was unmasked, he did kill Doc Ock after all
Y'WHAT????

You didn't just say that...you couldn't have.

THAT load of ****e along with the symbiote crapola led to the end of the regular series at that time...they had to start over again due to fan outrage at the ruination of the comic!
 

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