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Old 2005-07-20, 09:41 PM   #21
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Maybe it's just there because he's a republican.
 
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Old 2005-07-20, 09:54 PM   #22
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But does that refer to "Energon Prowl" as a whole, or just Prowl?
Does it say "Energon Prowl" or just "Prowl" on the packaging?
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 12:38 AM   #23
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Just says Prowl on my Energon Prowl's card. Doesn't have a tm or and r symbol next to it though.
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 09:22 AM   #24
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but were those trademarks before transformers?
or isn't it: "the first one can keep it"?
Hasbro probaby lost the trademark during BW, when they ceased to use it constantly, because they haven't a Bumblebee toy - in essence (it isn't like this?) they must constantly use a name to be able to claim the trademark, or they lost the right to use it.

Probably those trademark are after BW, and befor Hasbro try to claim the right again.
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 12:23 PM   #25
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Hasbro probaby lost the trademark during BW, when they ceased to use it constantly, because they haven't a Bumblebee toy - in essence (it isn't like this?) they must constantly use a name to be able to claim the trademark, or they lost the right to use it.

Probably those trademark are after BW, and befor Hasbro try to claim the right again.
i find that funny because bumblebee is such an easy name to reuse in BW.
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 02:22 PM   #26
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They should secure the names Megatron, Galvatron, Ravage, Mirage, Ironhide, and other fan favorites so this won't happen again.

I'll be damned if in the new movie they reffer to Shockwave as Shockblast

Also, BW Cheetor has an R next to his name as well.
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 02:38 PM   #27
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They should secure the names Megatron, Galvatron, Ravage, Mirage, Ironhide, and other fan favorites so this won't happen again.

I'll be damned if in the new movie they reffer to Shockwave as Shockblast

Also, BW Cheetor has an R next to his name as well.
since they named a minicon shockwave, i'll doubt he will be named shockblast in the movie.
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 02:46 PM   #28
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since they named a minicon shockwave, i'll doubt he will be named shockblast in the movie.
Good.
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 02:59 PM   #29
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Just says Prowl on my Energon Prowl's card. Doesn't have a tm or and r symbol next to it though.
I was referring to the link I posed above, to which Zisteau was referring before me. He could have answered his own question.

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They should secure the names Megatron, Galvatron, Ravage, Mirage, Ironhide, and other fan favorites so this won't happen again.
"Ironhide", "Mirage" and "Galvatron" are registered as of Energon. Megatron, as I explained above, they're currently trying to register, while "Ravage" falls under the "too generic to be deemed a distinct name" rule and therefore requires "strengthening" prefixes, such as "Batle Ravage" or "Command Ravage".
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 04:20 PM   #30
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I was referring to the link I posed above, to which Zisteau was referring before me. He could have answered his own question.



"Ironhide", "Mirage" and "Galvatron" are registered as of Energon. Megatron, as I explained above, they're currently trying to register, while "Ravage" falls under the "too generic to be deemed a distinct name" rule and therefore requires "strengthening" prefixes, such as "Batle Ravage" or "Command Ravage".
but how about alt. ravage?
i find it strange that they haven't acquired megatron yet, in almost every line there was a megatron (BW II, neo, universe and alternators didn't)
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 05:51 PM   #31
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but how about alt. ravage?
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i find it strange that they haven't acquired megatron yet, in almost every line there was a megatron (BW II, neo, universe and alternators didn't)
Which I addressed a few posts up:

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Megatron, I believe there was some trouble a few years ago with another company trying (but failing) to claim the name, so Hasbro has to wait a little longer before constant use of the name grants them the desired .

 
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Old 2005-07-21, 05:55 PM   #32
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This may sound like a silly question, but couldn't have Hasbro kept the name Bumblebee registered, but not actually use it? For example, before Optimus Prime was callled Optimus Prime, he was called Orion Pax(or Optronix), then rebuilt, and named Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion. It's the same with my fan character Airlift, once he was reformatted, and given the name Airlift by Optimus, he was known as Orion1. Couldn't Hasbro have given a character one name, and say that he was originally known as Bumblebee? That way, the Bumblebee name is still mentioned/and or seen in print, and still belongs to Hasbro?
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 06:12 PM   #33
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Trademark law does not work this way.

It works this way:

You file for a trademark, then have two years to use it on an existing product in the field you filed it for (e.g. you trademark the name "Bumblebee" in the "TOYS" field, then you have to put out a TOY named "Bumblebee"). If you don't make any use of the trademark, someone else could file for the trademark, and you have a bad stand since you didn't use the trademark in the two years you had been given.

Otherwise, you could just file for a bunch of trademarks, never use them and then sue everyone who is using them. Doesn't work that way, fortunately. You have to USE the trademark.

Oh, and if you used the trademark within two years, you can prolong the "lease", so to speak. And after a certain number of reuses (let's say you put out ten toys all using the name "Bumblebee" within a certain number of years), you can finally register the trademark. In other words, it's getting turned from a simple "lease" into actual "ownership". I'm not certain about the specific conditions you have to go through to keep a registered trademark, though an is certainly stronger than a simple .
 
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Old 2005-07-21, 06:13 PM   #34
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Thanks for the explanation Nevermore. It's a mystery why Hasbro didn't keep using the name, so they could have registered it though. Does Hasbro own the rights to the name Goldbug?
 
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Oh, and if you used the trademark within two years, you can prolong the "lease", so to speak. And after a certain number of reuses (let's say you put out ten toys all using the name "Bumblebee" within a certain number of years), you can finally register the trademark. In other words, it's getting turned from a simple "lease" into actual "ownership". I'm not certain about the specific conditions you have to go through to keep a registered trademark, though an is certainly stronger than a simple .
They used Bumblebee so long, in G1, and released various toy with this name, but never try to register the trademark, and then lost the right .... this sound correct?
 
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They used Bumblebee so long, in G1, and released various toy with this name, but never try to register the trademark, and then lost the right .... this sound correct?
Trademark law was different in 1984-1993 from what it is today. Back then, no-one worried as much about "too generic" names, "confusingly similar" names and all that sort as they do today.
 
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Old 2005-07-24, 02:59 PM   #37
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When the Beastwars cartoon/toys were released, couldn't have Hasbro had a maximal that was called Bumblebee, that actually transformed into a bumblebee? Sort of a maximal equivilent to Waspinator?
 
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Old 2005-07-24, 05:51 PM   #38
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Could, should, would. A little late to lament about things that didn't happen ten years ago, when no-one actually cared, no?
 
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Old 2005-07-24, 06:21 PM   #39
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So at this moment in time, Hasbro don't stand much of a chance to reclaim the Bumblebee name then? The one thing I'm unsure of though, whenever someone watches a G1 episode on DVD, and the name Bumblebee is mentioned or he's seen on screen, who owns the right for him to be shown on screen?
 
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Once again:

Trademarks, as far as Hasbro is concerned, are FOR TOYS ONLY. For toys Hasbro want to put out tomorrow, next week, next month, next year.

Comics, TV episodes etc. have absolutely NO RELEVANCE to trademarks, and neither do trademarks have any relevance to the characters showing up in a comic or a cartoon episode. Especially not a cartoon episode or comic that was already produced a long time ago.

The only thing Hasbro won't do is giving characters in new cartoons/comics different names from their toys' (i.e. new releases, not reissues of older toys) counterparts, e.g. Cybertron Scattorshot won't be called "Smallshot" in the cartoon because Hasbro don't want to confuse their buyers. Sure, Voicebox got the names of Energon Downshift and Cliffjumper confused a lot, but that wasn't an active decision on Hasbro's behalf, if you know what I mean.

Even though Hasbro currently don't own the names "Bluestreak", "Bumblebee" or "Hot Rod", you'll still see them being referred to by those names in newly released comics (Dreamwave, IDW), because those comics are about the G1 CHARACTERS, not about the reissued toys. Plus, as I said, the fact that Hasbro can't use those names on toys has no relevance for characters appearing in a comic book, because "comic books" and "toys" are two different fields in trademarking.

And cartoon episodes that were produced 20 years ago have no relevance at all. I mean, you can still buy old G1 toys MISB on eBay and all. It's not that Hasbro are legally required to track down all those toys and slap stickers with new names on the boxes.
 

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