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Old 2005-07-25, 04:36 PM   #21
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But..... Cullen is the best Optimus Prime. Why would I shell out 8 bucks to see a movie with Gary Chalk playing Prime when I can watch Cybertron?
Exactly. I think that the Hollywood a**holes are making a HUGE mistake by not having Welker and Cullen in the movie. It just cheeses me off. It's a huge slap in the faces of fans who want to hear the original voices they grew up with. If they could get Burt Renolds or whoever in The Longest Yards Remake, I'm pretty damn sure that they could get Welker and Cullen in TF 2007.
I want to see Megatron holding a gun Optimus then say " It's over Prime!"

Who's with me?
 


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Old 2005-07-25, 04:43 PM   #22
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Say they'd made Star Trek: The Motion Picture without the original cast. Got Lorne Greene to play Kirk, Christopher Reeve to play Spock, Mark Hamill to play Dr. McCoy, etc...... well, okay, it still would have sucked wind, but would all of the Trekkies out there have spent their hard earned money going to the theaters to see it?

Probably not.

I can see not using the original cast of Bewitched because they're either dead or retired. This nostalgia property isn't as old. The target audience is the Transformers fan base. Making a sci-fi movie also limits your fan base as well, as not everybody likes it.

Making a movie based on a 20 year old toy property that has a devoted fan base limits it even more. Fine, bring in the big names. Bring in the hot director. Throw tons of money at it, shine it up all nice and pretty. Pray that the X million people who might watch a sci-fi movie based on a 20 year old toy property simply because the hot star of the week is doing a voice in it take their kids to see it, so the kids can wonder who Hot Rod is.

Given the number of writers they've gone through so far, I'm praying that it hits the level of season three...... not that it's much of a reach........
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 05:04 PM   #23
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Exactly. I think that the Hollywood a**holes are making a HUGE mistake by not having Welker and Cullen in the movie. It just cheeses me off. It's a huge slap in the faces of fans who want to hear the original voices they grew up with. If they could get Burt Renolds or whoever in The Longest Yards Remake, I'm pretty damn sure that they could get Welker and Cullen in TF 2007.
I want to see Megatron holding a gun Optimus then say " It's over Prime!"

Who's with me?
Again I like orginals and would love to hear frank play something other then a disney animal but I would rather have him play soundwave then Megatron if I had to chose one role. Other then That Would you please stop screaming at the announcement that there will be a casting call. Let us yell about any wrong casting call as they come up. Also Get over the current prime and megs, They are only okay and they will not be picked, of that I am sure.
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 05:08 PM   #24
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Say they'd made Star Trek: The Motion Picture without the original cast. Got Lorne Greene to play Kirk, Christopher Reeve to play Spock, Mark Hamill to play Dr. McCoy, etc...... well, okay, it still would have sucked wind, but would all of the Trekkies out there have spent their hard earned money going to the theaters to see it?

Probably not.

I don't think you can compare TF and Star Trek. The ST movies were made specifically to follow the TV show, i.e. in the same continuity. Transformers doesnt appear to be in that vein. Even if it did there's a huge difference between voice acting and live parts. The whole visual recognition thing is important.

Plus, we (TF fans) aren't Trekkies. The fan base just isn't as large. George Lucas can make movies that are utter crap and still make more money than God because the Star Wars fanbase is ginormous. With the TF property you can't. Therefore the movie makers must make the best movie they can, that will appeal to the widest possible audience.

I'm skeptical of the film, but it has little to do with the voice acting and more to do with what I've heard the plot to be.
 

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Old 2005-07-25, 05:29 PM   #25
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They didn't use Nicholas Hammond as Spider-Man. They used Tobey Maguire.
But they kep the Spider Man elements the same. The core story was still there, the characterization was spot on. Etc.. the people cared about the franchise for which they were writing and working on. That doesn't seem to be true for Transformers - where a lot of the players seem hostile to the Transformers concept - and want to make 'war of the worlds' from the point of view of a scmuk.

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They didn't use Adam West as Batman.
Adam West was not the original Batman, (philistine!), and there were PLENTY of people unhappy with how the movie series went. The first movie 'got the mood' of the 1990s incarnation of Batman .. the rest were milked dry by principals that didn't give a rat's ass about the franchise.

You proved my point, actually... I'l be very surprised if 'Transformers' is any better than 'Batman and Robin' - and, as of now, I have just about as much interest in seeing either... which is zero.
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 05:45 PM   #26
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Thing is, we've heard bugger all about this movie. I say wait until it's in theatres to judge it.
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 05:49 PM   #27
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Thing is, we've heard bugger all about this movie. I say wait until it's in theatres to judge it.
They are on their fourth script.

They are on their third writing team.

They have not settled on character designs.

They have not settled on a cast.

They will not use the cartoon or comics for basis material.

They will focus on the human cast.

There will be a limited number of Transformers on either side.

They're shooting for a 'boy and his car' meets 'X-Files' feel.

The director and producer have a long history of failed movies.

Spielburg will not be personally involved.

They want 'star talent' for voice acting.

They are dismissive of the long-time fans.
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 05:56 PM   #28
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They are on their fourth script.

They are on their third writing team.

They have not settled on character designs.

They have not settled on a cast.

They will not use the cartoon or comics for basis material.

They will focus on the human cast.

There will be a limited number of Transformers on either side.

They're shooting for a 'boy and his car' meets 'X-Files' feel.

The director and producer have a long history of failed movies.

Spielburg will not be personally involved.

They want 'star talent' for voice acting.

They are dismissive of the long-time fans.

then don't watch and go away I am tired of the belly aching. We do not have enough information to judge what is going on yet even
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 05:57 PM   #29
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They are on their fourth script.

They are on their third writing team.

They have not settled on character designs.

They have not settled on a cast.

They will not use the cartoon or comics for basis material.

They will focus on the human cast.

There will be a limited number of Transformers on either side.

They're shooting for a 'boy and his car' meets 'X-Files' feel.

The director and producer have a long history of failed movies.

Spielburg will not be personally involved.

They want 'star talent' for voice acting.

They are dismissive of the long-time fans.
Can we please all get a grip? (Preferably not around one another's throats) The film is two years away. Patience is a virtue.
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 06:10 PM   #30
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I want to see Megatron holding a gun Optimus then say " It's over Prime!"
I want to see a movie that is not a direct carbon copy of a movie that bombed at the box offices 20 years ago.
 

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Old 2005-07-25, 06:16 PM   #31
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I want to see a movie that is not a direct carbon copy of a movie that bombed at the box offices 20 years ago.
Thank you for saying it! my thoughts exactly
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 08:37 PM   #32
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They are on their fourth script.
Perhaps it gets better with every version . . .

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They are on their third writing team.
Well, the number of writing teams really has nothing to do with the success of a movie, unless they pass up on pure gold from one of the earlier teams . . .

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They have not settled on character designs.

They have not settled on a cast.
They have two years to do this, and if needed, they can push the deadline back . . .

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They will not use the cartoon or comics for basis material.
Why should they? It's their story, not Marvel comics, circa 1985.

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They will focus on the human cast.

There will be a limited number of Transformers on either side.
CG's expensive, time-consuming, and just not practical for movies. This is the only point that worries me about doing a live-action, but I want to see it first before I decide if I like it, or not.

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They're shooting for a 'boy and his car' meets 'X-Files' feel.
Hmmm . . . could be good or bad.

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The director and producer have a long history of failed movies.
That could be bad. Any successes?

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Spielburg will not be personally involved.
Four words: "War of the Worlds."

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They want 'star talent' for voice acting.
Might actually work if they plug the right stars in.

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They are dismissive of the long-time fans.
Well, I'm a long time fan, and I certainly can't blame them. A whole segment of the fandom is upset that the toyline has evolved past season 2, and would like to see a G1 clone in theatres and on toy shelves. Granted, Murphy comes off as an arse, but he's got to market this towards more than just the small tf fan base.
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 08:43 PM   #33
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Think of it this way, if the film is a success, then there's a chance that more people will become interested in Transformers, hopefully finding out more about the history of the toys/cartoons/comics, watching old episodes, buying toys. They then introduce a friend/relative to Transformers, and so on. What should we end up with? Even more people that share an interest with us.
 

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Old 2005-07-25, 09:05 PM   #34
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Did Batman Begins suck because they didn't cast Adam West as Batman?

For that matter... G1 season 3 SUCKED. They replaced Nimoy with lame Welker.

Eat this, fanboys.
Hmmm... a thought...why not use Leonard Nimoy as Megatron?
 

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Old 2005-07-25, 09:08 PM   #35
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Exactly. I think that the Hollywood a**holes are making a HUGE mistake by not having Welker and Cullen in the movie. It just cheeses me off. It's a huge slap in the faces of fans who want to hear the original voices they grew up with. If they could get Burt Renolds or whoever in The Longest Yards Remake, I'm pretty damn sure that they could get Welker and Cullen in TF 2007.
I want to see Megatron holding a gun Optimus then say " It's over Prime!"

Who's with me?
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Old 2005-07-25, 10:25 PM   #36
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I'm not sure Nimoy's "big name" enough anymore.......... Besides, he might not want to do it.

Michael Dorn, maybe........
 

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Old 2005-07-25, 10:28 PM   #37
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True, Adam West was not used in the 90s Batman movies, but he was how old then? Granted, Michael Keaton wasn't exactly young at the time, but better than seeing an aging Adam West hobbling about and parking the Batmobile in handicapped spots. With Transformers it will obviously not be the actors seen on screen, only their voices heard through the audio, which means it doesn't matter if they are old or not. There's where it differs from Batman.

And in a slightly similar vein, was I the only one who thought George Lucas made a mistake by not allowing David Prowse, the ORIGINAL Darth Vader, to don the suit at the end of Ep III? It was plainly obvious that Hayden Christenson weighs around 30-40% less than Prowse as he could not fill in the suit. Overall I greatly enjoyed the movie, but the fact that Prowse was not used in the suit just to give the new guy a go did leave a sour taste in my mouth.
 
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Old 2005-07-25, 10:30 PM   #38
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Well, personally, I think Chalk does Optimus pretty well, but in terms of the movie, they really need to get Cullen in there. Seriously.
 
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True, Adam West was not used in the 90s Batman movies, but he was how old then?

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And in a slightly similar vein, was I the only one who thought George Lucas made a mistake by not allowing David Prowse, the ORIGINAL Darth Vader, to don the suit at the end of Ep III? It was plainly obvious that Hayden Christenson weighs around 30-40% less than Prowse as he could not fill in the suit. Overall I greatly enjoyed the movie, but the fact that Prowse was not used in the suit just to give the new guy a go did leave a sour taste in my mouth.
You're arguing against yourself here - Prowse is now 70, so how on earth would he fit/get into the suit?
 
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Well, personally, I think Chalk does Optimus pretty well, but in terms of the movie, they really need to get Cullen in there. Seriously.
Why? I've yet to here a serious, cogently argued reason as to why this should be, apart from the usual, tired "He wuz ace in the cartoon" arguments.

The film is not going to be the cartoon, praise be.
 
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