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Old 2005-12-22, 04:48 PM   #21
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Prime's growing on me in his own wackey way, but the others are a miss for me.
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 05:52 PM   #22
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in box Rollbar and Ricochet at Remy's (from easynet)
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 07:24 PM   #23
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Only OP interests me... I have enough of the repaints. I'll rename OP Ironhide and use 20th ann Prime as THE Optimus Prime.
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 07:29 PM   #24
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My question is why Rollbar? Trailbreaker would at least be a fan favorite.
I'm still trying to figure out why Rollbar is red.

So, that's cool, we now have an incorrect colored Rollbar as an Autobot, but is a repaint of Swindle (Generation 2 Rollbar was a repaint of Swindle, too) who actually should have been Trailbreaker in the first place, anyway.

So...why did they go with Rollbar!? Between this and Swerve, they are certainly losing me (but at least Swerve had a new head mold, which is more than I can say for these or any of the BTAs).

And yeah, Ricochet is just...weird.

I'm not particularly looking forward to prime either. Those legs are just...well...they're worse than Prowl's, even. But, I am looking foward to Scourge/Black Convoy/Nemesis Prime (whatever they decide to call him this time).

Of course, there will be the inevitable Magnus BTA, too, I'm sure.
 

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Old 2005-12-22, 07:48 PM   #25
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I'm still trying to figure out why Rollbar is red.

So...why did they go with Rollbar!?
Because Rollbar is the repaint of Swindle.

No, really... there's more to that than it sounds.

This is Swindle, who was repainted into Rollbar for RID. Thus, the Alternator Swindle repaint is called Rollbar. BUT! The colorization seems to come from G2 Swindle, and the Autobot allegiance comes from the original Rollbar.

In other words, it's called Rollbar because that's what a Swindle repaint is usually called, it's red because of G2 Swindle, and it's an Autobot because of the original Rollbar.

As far as Ricochet goes, it seems to be the Ricochet that's the G1 Jazz remold from Headmasters, which was actually called Stepper, but released as Ricochet as a 'reissue' in America. As to why it's a repaint of Silverstreak instead of Jazz/Meister, who knows.

(the actual G1 Ricochet was a Targetmaster for Quickmix)
 

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Old 2005-12-22, 07:52 PM   #26
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As to why it's a repaint of Silverstreak instead of Jazz/Meister, who knows.
If I were to guess, we'll see a re-release of Meister and/or Shockblast/wave soon.
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 08:00 PM   #27
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Because Rollbar is the repaint of Swindle.
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Dude, that was extremly hard to follow. LOL!

Actually, I went to TFU before posting that, looking to see if there was a red Rollbar...I didn't see one. All the G2 Rollbars I saw were some form of camoflage or another. Did I miss one?

And, I guess I understand the "why Rollbar?" What I don't understand is "why not Trailbreaker, instead?"
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 08:01 PM   #28
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If I were to guess, we'll see a re-release of Meister and/or Shockblast/wave soon.
True... I hadn't thought of the repaints interferring/duplicating other toys being re-released, but that would make sense.

Still, Rollbar and Ricochet look fine to me. Since they're not major characters in-and-of themselves, I'll probably go get some reproduction labels and make Decepticons out of them.
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 08:06 PM   #29
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Dude, that was extremly hard to follow. LOL!

Actually, I went to TFU before posting that, looking to see if there was a red Rollbar...I didn't see one. All the G2 Rollbars I saw were some form of camoflage or another. Did I miss one?

And, I guess I understand the "why Rollbar?" What I don't understand is "why not Trailbreaker, instead?"
Well, basically, the Alternator Rollbar is a combination of elements from G1 Swindle, G2 Swindle, G1 Rollbar, and RID Rollbar, all into something completely new.

As for Trailbreaker... I'm not really sure. They've given us Sunstreaker, which is what Dead End was originally supposed to be, but no Trailbreaker just yet. I don't think they own the rights to the name at the moment, anyway... don't know if that has anything to do with it.
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 08:19 PM   #30
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I heard that Overhaul was going to be named Trailbreaker originally, but they had to change the name at the last minute (guessing Hasbro lost the trademark). That's why you've got his upgraded form being called Leobreaker.
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 08:33 PM   #31
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Don't forget Universe Spychanger Ironhide...
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 09:17 PM   #32
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Well, basically, the Alternator Rollbar is a combination of elements from G1 Swindle, G2 Swindle, G1 Rollbar, and RID Rollbar, all into something completely new.
In other words it's a homage to not one, not two, not even three, but four previous TF's. Surely there's no other formie that can beat that? I salute you Sir Rollbar!
 
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Old 2005-12-22, 10:13 PM   #33
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Dodge Ram would make good Trailbreaker with camper shell asee theres and i see theres a Dodge Ram Wrecker so Hoist could be a possible remould
 

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Old 2005-12-22, 10:44 PM   #34
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Another theory:

Rollbar was the body originally planned for Swerve's head.
 
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Old 2005-12-23, 10:20 AM   #35
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If I were to guess, we'll see a re-release of Meister and/or Shockblast/wave soon.
Hmm, maybe that and a combination of Masda being more picky about ugly decals being plastered alover their cars. For Subaru it seems to be less of an issue.
 
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Old 2005-12-23, 11:43 PM   #36
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I completely understand the Sunstreaker repaint...cool. Seems to have been wanted by almost everyone. Rollbar, Ricochet? Come on! Can he at least get a new head? Possibly better flames than those. How bout at least removing the horribly clashing whit elicense plates from the front of them. For goodness sake Hasbro, its Christmas and your trying to pinch a few bucks to not even change a head. Well, at least we got a new head for swerve. These may very well be the first alts I pass on. Sorry for the rant...
 
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Old 2005-12-25, 06:52 PM   #37
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New pics of Ricochet.

http://www.tfans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=40196
 
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Old 2005-12-25, 08:27 PM   #38
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he's even uglier than i thought, not only his is nose ugly but his horns look weird, because the back and sides aren't painted. it's probably the pose, but he looks like a dwarf with those short legs. he has a nice black color but the stickers don't fit.
EDIT: now i see, his feet aren't out.
 
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Old 2005-12-26, 12:10 AM   #39
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I could be wrong, but Ricochet's nose looks as if it could be a victim of oversaturation from camera flash shine. Let's hope so.
 
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Old 2005-12-26, 12:19 AM   #40
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Nose = test shot defacing?
 
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