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Old 2007-05-18, 09:09 PM   #41
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Oh come on, Pirates III is going to PWN every other Movie of the year hands down (unless everyone involved suddenly losses all talent).

You can probably save money on Shrek III by watching the first one again and imagining Timberlake in it.
 
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Old 2007-05-18, 09:19 PM   #42
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When Sam is sitting in Bumblebee and notices the Autobot insignia on the horn, it looks like he had rubbed it first. Who else thinks that it's a rubsign?
 
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Old 2007-05-18, 09:34 PM   #43
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You intend to see any of those movies before Transformers?!
Potter's part of a set, so it's in - though I'm waiting for DVD for it, honestly. It really lost its fizzle with the nonsensical previous flick.

Shrek III? Hell yeah, I'm taking my girls to see it, one of the FEW movies that we're all going to enjoy.

Pirates III? ... Two words: "Undead Monkey". Also, it's one of the few movies that really DOES need the big screen at least once. I'm a sucker for great cinematics.

Transformers, on the other hand, is a B-movie with a load of Hollywood pretention and a main plot I've seen in two of Micheal Bay's OTHER films. I'll eventually see it, but it's just not 'big-screen' to me.. In my mind, it's going into the video collection near Godzilla and Independance Day.

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Oh come on, Pirates III is going to PWN every other Movie of the year hands down (unless everyone involved suddenly losses all talent).
"21 Jump Street" is overrated, but good. And, face it, who DOESN'T want to see Barbosa and the undead monkey! (And, honestly, I'm hoping ALL the guys just DUMP the fickle bitch. That scene alone would make me fork over the ticket price. )

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You can probably save money on Shrek III by watching the first one again and imagining Timberlake in it.
I dunno, looks like a lot of early-parenting gags this time out... of which, I can relate.
 
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Old 2007-05-18, 10:15 PM   #44
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One of the few transformers fans who actually understand. This guy.In all sincerity will be awsome,if he's ever looking for someone to do
concept stories or sketches,veh or robot,characters? He can find one.
 
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Old 2007-05-18, 10:25 PM   #45
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July 4 is a little more poetic
The 7 4 7 advertising is already out there, it won't make too much difference, it'll just mean more people have opportunity to go and see --> stronger week's take.

i.e. It seems a common sense move.
 
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Old 2007-05-18, 10:31 PM   #46
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Why do you think Transformers is a B movie?
 
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Old 2007-05-18, 10:38 PM   #47
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Why do you think Transformers is a B movie?
Everyone (aside from "Steven") involved in the production is either known for B-grade movies, or are newcomers. In particular, the writer, director, and producers, are all pretty much regarded in the industry as 'hacks'. They do light popcorn movies best.

That's NOT inherently a bad thing, though - properties like Transformers work BEST when they're treated accordingly... (I'm a huge Wild Wild West TV fan, for instance) the trouble is, as I said, they're combining a B-movie subject (and plot, etc) with the pretention of Lord of the Rings. That don't mix...
 
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Old 2007-05-18, 10:42 PM   #48
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"Nobody's working on the 3rd"? Where does Bay get that idea? I know that my job is a little unusual for a M-F job, in that we work the 4th (and get a compensatory floater day-off, and a cookout, for our troubles); but this idea that people are getting the day before off - particularly a Tuesday - is (odd) news to me. Maybe it's a Hollywood thing....
 
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Old 2007-05-18, 10:45 PM   #49
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Why do you think Transformers is a B movie?
The other movies the production people have been involved in include some real tripe? Though by "b movie" I usually interpret a low budget as well as lousy scripting and acting.
 
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Old 2007-05-18, 10:57 PM   #50
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"Nobody's working on the 3rd"? Where does Bay get that idea?
Are you implying that Hollywood is somehow disconnected with the rest of the world, particularly those in the labor sector?!

It's NOT TRUE! It's Hollywood! They CARE, man! THEY CARE!
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 12:30 AM   #51
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Seriously man...look, I know you've been unhappy with the designs and everything you've read about this movie. But, honestly, I am having a really hard time understanding how anyone who is even remotely a fan of Transformers, in any of its forms, can't get at least a little bit excited when they see this trailer!?!

Really...all joking aside. I can't understand it. Sh*t I practically peed my pants when I saw this one. The fluid transformations make me giddy. Both Starscream transformations and Blackout's...the one where he looks like he's flying down a street and comes around a building then, boom, he's a robot. The way the blades strain and torque as they come to a quick stop...it's just all very wow!

I still know nothing about the story (save what was in the prequel comic) but it surely looks awesome to me.
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 12:35 AM   #52
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The other movies the production people have been involved in include some real tripe? Though by "b movie" I usually interpret a low budget as well as lousy scripting and acting.
And Michael Bay movies are known for their deep, thought-provoking, intellectual plots?
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 12:55 AM   #53
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Why would just Prime make the noise, and why part-way through the transformation? I'd be surprised if it's consistently present in the movie. Maybe thrown in once or twice as a nod, but no more than that.
I think it'd be even weirder if it was only once or twice. It either needs to be there for all of them, or none of them.

I think it worked well, it's kind of the finishing sound of the transformations...like the last bit of gears interlocking or something before the robot is complete.

Besides, it's in the trailer at least twice. Once for Prime and once for Megatron (or at least right after Megatron transforms with his weird squeaky sounding transformation). There's the scene where he steps on Jazz (holy crap, I didn't think he'd be that big!) and you hear the squeak, then the next scene you see Megatron in where he's transforming you hear the squeak again, so I think that's part of his transformation sound...but then just as it cuts away, just before you see rollerblading Bonecrusher, you can hear the sound...I think. It's hard to tell, actually. But I think it's there.

Anyway...all or nothing man. Either everyone has to have it everytime or no one has it all, I think.
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 01:05 AM   #54
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honestly, I am having a really hard time understanding how anyone who is even remotely a fan of Transformers, in any of its forms, can't get at least a little bit excited when they see this trailer!?!
Because they enjoy Transformers for the stories and characters?

This is a popcorn flick that happens to have robots in it -- nothing wrong with that, but whether it'll stand as a classic of the genre (like, say, Terminator 2) remains to be seen.

People looking at the film realistically will find strengths and flaws -- it's like anything else; beware feedback groups who love everything, and beware shark pits of people who can't back up their criticism with explanations.
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 01:15 AM   #55
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Because they enjoy Transformers for the stories and characters?
Don't you mean "because they only enjoy Transformers for the stories and characters"?

I didn't say you had to be slobbering and chomping at the bit. I said I didn't understand how one who is a fan of transformers in any form couldn't be at least "a little bit excited" about this.

I mean, let's face it, part of Transformers is big explosions and huge robots kicking the crap out of each other. Take Escalation for instance...people have been liking it, the responses have been okay. But the most excited I've seen any reviewers about any of the transformers comics was the second to last one...and it was all about the most bad ass fight between Prime and Megs.

Part of Transformers is the flare. So I say again...doesn't this trailer make you even the tiniest bit excited?
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 02:03 AM   #56
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HHGTTG had me excited in anticipation (and delivered.) This doesn't -- I'll see it in September when I get back to the UK, rather than try to find a cinema whilst abroad -- mainly because the script and casting are a hodge-podge of Hollywood cliché... maybe the second will have room for more once the obligatory introduction stuff is out of the way (in the same way X-Men 2 was a marked improvement on the first film.)

I dig explodey stuff as the backup to a good story done with characters I've been given a chance to get to like.

Things I like so far, and made me think "hey, cool":
- Starscream's transformation sequence.
- Megan Fox, who distracts from Shia being the spiritual successor to Daniel quite well.
- That spoof Grimlock video on the SectorSeven website.
- Peter Cullen's voice on the earlier website trailer.
- The stab at a backstory given by the comics and novel, although they make me just wonder how little backstory will be given in the film.
- The large Blackout makes a nice toy, as do a couple of the Real Gear ones.

Excited? Nope.
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 06:45 AM   #57
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Wikipedia defines B movies as:

The term B movie originally referred to a motion picture made on a low or modest budget and intended for distribution as the less-publicized, bottom half of a double feature during the so-called Golden Age of Hollywood. Although the U.S. production of movies intended as second features largely ceased by the end of the 1950s, the term B movie continues to be used in a broader sense, referring to any low-budget, commercial motion picture meant neither as an arthouse film nor as pornography. In its post–Golden Age usage, there is ambiguity on both sides: on the one hand, many B movies display a high degree of craft and aesthetic ingenuity; on the other, the primary interest of many inexpensive exploitation films is prurient. In some cases, both are true.

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a low-budget movie made esp. to accompany a major feature film on a double bill.

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So by definition, Transformers is not a B Movie. Neither is any film Michael Bay has made. Even though people may not like them, they are not B Movies. You obviously haven't looked at the crew listing for this movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/fullcredits#cast

There are a few new actors, but a lot of them have been in non B Movies.

The producing staff collectively have credits for the following non B Movies:

Mr. & Mrs. Smith, The Italian Job (2003), Training Day, Tears of the Sun, Spider-Man, Saving Private Ryan, Twister, Speed, Anger Management, X-Men, X2, Constantine,

the editing staff:

Collateral, xXx, Blade, Gone in Sixty Seconds, Any Given Sunday, Con Air

The Director of photography has credits in:

Mission: Impossible III, National Treasure, The Bourne Supremacy, Seabiscuit, Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl,

ILM, who is doing all the CGI, has never worked on a B Movie.

I could go on, but I won't. I rest my case. Transformers is not a B Movie
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 06:46 AM   #58
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Excited? Nope.
Yeah, I'm sort of on that boat too. I mean, yes, I've liked what I have seen - mostly anyway - but I'm not really all that hyped about it, and actually, the gratuitous publicity hasn't helped sway these feelings either. That's just me though. I don't usually get exited over movies of this caliber, with the exception with the LOTR trilogy (having read the book prior). I still would like to see it at some point, more out of morbid curiosity, really...and it looks neat. Probably when it comes out on video.
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 09:26 AM   #59
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Well... TURBO CHARGER beat me to the punch, but I don't see how it could have been put any better.

As a collector of so called "B movies", exploitation, sleaze, gore, and other assorted low budget fare...I can clearly see that Transformers is not going to be a "B movie". The #1 thing associated with "B movies" is the low budget..which obviously this movie does not have.

Thing is..you might think its going to suck, and it may even suck as bad as the people who are so quick to write it off as a "B movie" without even remaining the least bit optimistic or excited of the fact that our fandom is getting a major push into the mainstream again. However one thing it clearly will not be, is a "B movie".

I'm with Brimstone as well, as I just can't understand how a self proclaimed fan of TF would not be in some way interested or excited about this movie.

And Denyer's comment that fans enjoy TF for the characters and stories is a little misleading to me as well. I might be wrong, but I think most of us in this fandom got into TF with the original cartoon series from the 80's. At what point did that series have deep and moving stories and character development?

We like it largly because of the nostalgia involved in it, the same reason seeing this new trailer should spark something in you if you are a fan of TF.

That is all.
 
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Old 2007-05-19, 10:17 AM   #60
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Loved it, though I coulda done without the clip of Roadblock screaming "BRING IT!"

Still cannot wait to see this film.
That wasn't one Roadblock, that was one of the soldiers.
 
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