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Old 2008-02-15, 02:04 AM   #41
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Muppet with a pencil...?

have you ever actualy read the original comic books, not the cartoons or archie comics. brilliant sattire.
wow you are complely missing the point. he is not hating on eastman and laird whatsoever.
 

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Old 2008-02-15, 02:46 AM   #42
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your right he is hating on liefeld.
 


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Old 2008-02-15, 07:38 AM   #43
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I do not think Liefield was the target of his ire there...
 
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Old 2008-02-15, 08:51 AM   #44
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Muppet with a pencil...?
What part do you need explaining? The muppet or the pencil?

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Yes. About 17 years ago. They're very good. What's the relevance?
 
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Old 2008-02-15, 02:32 PM   #45
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I give up
 


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Old 2008-02-15, 02:37 PM   #46
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Good.
 
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Old 2008-02-15, 04:46 PM   #47
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now i'm actually confused....if he realised that you werent hating on eastman and laird than what was his point?
 

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Old 2008-02-15, 04:48 PM   #48
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now i'm actually confused....if he realised that you werent hating on eastman and laird than what was his point?
Who cares? I've got better things to do than rationalise the thought processes of an idiot.
 
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Old 2008-02-16, 01:55 AM   #49
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Muppet with a pencil...?

have you ever actualy read the original comic books, not the cartoons or archie comics. brilliant sattire.

 


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Old 2008-02-17, 01:25 AM   #50
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Who cares? I've got better things to do than rationalise the thought processes of an idiot.
When I said “on my case” this is what I meant.
There is no reason to call me an idiot. You have one opinion and I have another. We can agree to disagree, shake hands, and walk away.
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Old 2008-02-17, 11:35 AM   #51
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When I said “on my case” this is what I meant.
Ohhhh, right. You're a precog. You were referring to things that hadn't happened yet. That's why it made no sense at the time.

And, incidentally, is one of the primary factors for me calling you an idiot.

You see?

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You have one opinion and I have another. We can agree to disagree, shake hands, and walk away.
Er, no. You tell me exactly what it is we have differing opinions on. Other than you being an idiot. Because it's clear to pretty much everybody reading this thread that you don't actually understand what I've been saying. Which is another factor for me calling you an idiot.
 

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Old 2008-02-17, 05:43 PM   #52
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Obviosly not.
I’m not looking for a fight with a mod(you always loose).
I won’t post on this tread again.
 


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Old 2008-02-17, 09:22 PM   #53
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Obviosly not.
I’m not looking for a fight with a mod(you always loose).
I won’t post on this tread again.
*facepalm*
 


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Old 2008-02-23, 06:49 PM   #54
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Grend Land shows people how to "draw":

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Old 2008-02-23, 07:44 PM   #55
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wow.

I own a lot of those liefeld books.
scary how they where good when i was 10.

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Old 2008-02-23, 10:50 PM   #56
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Grend Land shows people how to "draw":

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Just curious, do you guys consider it more legit if the artist takes his own photographs and uses them as a source. I'm asking because Alex Ross openly admits using photographs when drawing.
 
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Old 2008-02-23, 10:55 PM   #57
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Amazing, I had no idea that using a point of reference meant tracing it. Learn something new everyday.
 
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Old 2008-02-24, 03:57 AM   #58
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do you guys consider it more legit if the artist takes his own photographs and uses them as a source
I consider it more legit when someone isn't able to post a pic that's nigh-identical. The ability and inclination to not use the same porn queen face for many of an artist's female faces is also prized.
 
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Old 2008-02-24, 01:08 PM   #59
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Yeh, from what I've seen of Alex Ross' model pictures (i.e. the section in Marvels), he only uses them to help the level of realism - a lot of it seems to be to work out how light would play on, say, the Thing, or how a jumpsuit would sit on someone. He doesn't copy things like faces - most of it seems to be to keep proportions as realistic as possible, which means you don't end up with Liefield-esque stuff. If you look at the stuff in Marvels, none of the characters look much like the photographed models (even the Silver Surfer model isn't half as detailed as Ross' piece) - physical features and clothing are all generally added in later. I think the difference is that basically anyone with enough time and patience could trace (as in with tracing paper) to a decent degree. Basing stuff on photographs is, IMO, fine if it's specially-taken research stuff, rather than "Ooooh, Hustler, that'll have some representative members of both sexes in everyday positions in it".

Of course, if Marvels is totally unrepresentative of Ross' method, all the above is cheerfully withdrawn.
 
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Old 2008-02-24, 04:44 PM   #60
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yeah just one glance at ross' modeling and you can see the difference. he uses alot of it more for light sourcing and anatomy than anything because their is usually a vast difference between the model and the finished product.
he has also used action figures in the past for positioning.

in most of his TPB collections he openly showcases alof of the models so its not like he is trying to put one over on us anyway. the only identical "copy" i can remember from ross' work is the preacher from kingdom come but that is modeled after his father on purpose.

while i don't agree with alot of his views on the modern comic era I got to give the man props in that he has a cool style and he produces good work. although it wouldnt fit just any project as it tends to have a old school 1940's vibe to everything he does.
 

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