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Old 2009-07-16, 12:50 AM   #41
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Apparently all you need is a piece of paper and a pencil with you to name them.

As seen in the interview on the 3rd disc of the 25th Anniversary Season One (2009), which is the bonus disc,
Bob Budiansky is the creator of many of the original Transformer names. He did word associations,connected words with the actual toy figures (Diaclone) and created names from those word associations.

In the eight page treatment that Bob Budiansky wrote, Ulchtar was Starscreams original name and had been edited with the name Starscream written over. This eight page treatment became the the Transformers reality, transforming Diaclones with no history, story or appeal into one of the most popular toy series ever created.
Exactly. He created the characters and worked out names which best suited them based upon their roles, designs, or personalities. For example, Soundwave got his name because his alternate mode was a tape deck, a sound recording device. Blitzwing, also because of his two alternate modes. Optimus Prime, becaue he is the Leader, the best. etc. Budyanski didn't simply name-slap random names on figures. That's why you can't just randomly slap the name Elita-1 on the third bike sister. It just doesn't fit.
 
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Exactly. He created the characters and worked out names which best suited them based upon their roles, designs, or personalities. For example, Soundwave got his name because his alternate mode was a tape deck, a sound recording device. Blitzwing, also because of his two alternate modes. Optimus Prime, becaue he is the Leader, the best. etc. Budyanski didn't simply name-slap random names on figures. That's why you can't just randomly slap the name Elita-1 on the third bike sister. It just doesn't fit.
To be faire, Mr. Budiansky did just put names to most of the figures. According to TFWiki, Mr. Budiansky also created the backstory and history of the characters. So in fact he did kind of just name-slap names to figures, since he was the one who created most of the characters in the first place.

Source: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bob_Budiansky look at the second paragraph for some the characters that he bascily crated.
 
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Old 2009-07-16, 06:08 AM   #43
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To be faire, Mr. Budiansky did just put names to most of the figures. According to TFWiki, Mr. Budiansky also created the backstory and history of the characters. So in fact he did kind of just name-slap names to figures, since he was the one who created most of the characters in the first place.

Source: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bob_Budiansky look at the second paragraph for some the characters that he bascily crated.
That isn't "name-slapping". He specifically chose names for each character that best fit that character, based upon several factors.

Name Slapping involves basically randomly giving a character any name without consideration for that individual's function, characteristics, alternate mode, personality, etc. It's completely arbitrary.

That's not what Budyanski did. HE looked at the toys, came up with personalities and backstories for them, and created specific names for each which best suited that character. That is not name-slapping.
 
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Old 2009-07-16, 06:09 AM   #44
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That's why you can't just randomly slap the name Elita-1 on the third bike sister. It just doesn't fit.
To be fair though, there has been a lot of random name reusage in the years since, sometime to do with keeping a copyright and sometimes because they don't have any better ideas. To pick a example, does Armada Nightbeat have any association in terms of character, appearance or alt mode with the original?

And to be honest, I'd imagine that five years into doing it Bob was probably just slapping the first name that came into his head on the toys as well (possibly even earlier, "You're a jet... who likes to ram things.Ramjet. That'll do. NEXT!"). Of course, that doesn't undermine the top notch work he did overall.
 
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Old 2009-07-16, 06:16 AM   #45
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To be fair though, there has been a lot of random name reusage in the years since, sometime to do with keeping a copyright and sometimes because they don't have any better ideas. To pick a example, does Armada Nightbeat have any association in terms of character, appearance or alt mode with the original?
Yes, there has been, to a point. Certain names though, have very specific meanings and significance. Certain names are never simply "name-slapped". The name Elita-1, has never been arbitrarily name-slapped on a random character. It's been used very sparingly on specific characters with special significance as a leader and with a connection to Optimus.
 
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How about the name "Leader-1", essentially the same thing as "Elita-1"? It's on a min-con. Granted, it's Megatron's mini-con, but the very fact that he's a subservient mini-con means that the name doesn't dictate position or vice versa.

Edit: Off topic, does anyone else see a resemblance between Mr. Budyanski and Bob from Heroes? Maybe it's because the have the same name.
 
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Old 2009-07-16, 02:37 PM   #47
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How about the name "Leader-1", essentially the same thing as "Elita-1"? It's on a min-con. Granted, it's Megatron's mini-con, but the very fact that he's a subservient mini-con means that the name doesn't dictate position or vice versa.
Plus the previous movie Elita-One (possibly the same character, possibly not. Certainly I expect Tales of the Fallen to at least cover the change in Arcee from how IDW have previously portrayed the character, they might bring E1 back as well) hadn't the slightest hint of any connection to Optimus or being a leader in either her IDW or Titan appearances. I think in the Titan comics Op spoke to her directly about twice when giving orders.

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Edit: Off topic, does anyone else see a resemblance between Mr. Budyanski and Bob from Heroes? Maybe it's because the have the same name.
No no no. He's the crazy guy from Ghostbusters 2/Ally McBeal. It's actually nice to see the DVD bods have tracked him down for a chat. Now, if someoen could just go round his house with a scanner and go through that box of papers and put them online...
 
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Old 2009-07-16, 05:18 PM   #48
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Yes, there has been, to a point. Certain names though, have very specific meanings and significance. Certain names are never simply "name-slapped". The name Elita-1, has never been arbitrarily name-slapped on a random character. It's been used very sparingly on specific characters with special significance as a leader and with a connection to Optimus.
But really, how many people care about the Elita-1 character? She was in, what, one or two episodes in G1? Did she even appear in the comic at all? Has the name appeared in any subsequent universes, apart from the recent comic stuff I'm too busy to read? They reuse names to maintain trademarks, plain and simple. There are countless examples of names being used arbitrarily to maintain Hasbro/Takara's rights, so who cares if Elita-1 is one of the group of three bikes?
 

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How about the name "Leader-1", essentially the same thing as "Elita-1"? It's on a min-con. Granted, it's Megatron's mini-con, but the very fact that he's a subservient mini-con means that the name doesn't dictate position or vice versa.

Edit: Off topic, does anyone else see a resemblance between Mr. Budyanski and Bob from Heroes? Maybe it's because the have the same name.

Hasbro bought out Tonka toys in 1991.

Originally, the Gobots had been released as Machine Robo toys prior to Tonka Toys release of the Gobot. The Gobots had a story line added and created the Machine Robo toys into a new toy line. The Gobots were the Transformers competition, but lost out in popularity and sales in a matter of a short period of time.(Tranformers wiki, 2009)

Leader-1 was the "good guy" leader and was a (un) popular toy.

In 2008 Hasbro filed a trademark for Leader-1, which was the name of the Gobot. (TF2005, 2008)

The major element missing from this argument is that the marketing aspect is the driving force behind Hasbro creating a Transformers genre. The names are not going to relate to the toys as a fan might expect because Hasbro has to protect property rights. In order to do that, Hasbro has to have the name released with a transforming toy. Hence the Leader-1 minicon release.

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TF2005. (2008). Three New Hasbro Trademark Applications - Leader-1, Sparkplug and Cyberglyphics. Retrieved July 16, 2009 from http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-...yphics-166018/

Transformers Wiki. (2009). Tonka Gobots. Retrieved July 16, 2009 from http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Tonka_GoBots
 
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Old 2009-07-16, 06:53 PM   #50
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Transformers Wiki. (2009). Tonka Gobots. Retrieved July 16, 2009 from http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Tonka_GoBots
Machine Robo was created by Popy, not Bandai; Bandai didn't sell the rights overseas to anyone other than Tonka, their own subdivisions handled it; the French import of Revenge of Cronos made no attempt to merge the storylines, but simply carried across a few character names...

I couldn't read any further.
 
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Old 2009-07-16, 07:24 PM   #51
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Hasbro bought out Tonka toys in 1991.

Originally, the Gobots had been released as Machine Robo toys prior to Tonka Toys release of the Gobot. The Gobots had a story line added and created the Machine Robo toys into a new toy line. The Gobots were the Transformers competition, but lost out in popularity and sales in a matter of a short period of time.(Tranformers wiki, 2009)

Leader-1 was the "good guy" leader and was a (un) popular toy.

In 2008 Hasbro filed a trademark for Leader-1, which was the name of the Gobot. (TF2005, 2008)

The major element missing from this argument is that the marketing aspect is the driving force behind Hasbro creating a Transformers genre. The names are not going to relate to the toys as a fan might expect because Hasbro has to protect property rights. In order to do that, Hasbro has to have the name released with a transforming toy. Hence the Leader-1 minicon release.

References: (or to read more about it)

TF2005. (2008). Three New Hasbro Trademark Applications - Leader-1, Sparkplug and Cyberglyphics. Retrieved July 16, 2009 from http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-...yphics-166018/

Transformers Wiki. (2009). Tonka Gobots. Retrieved July 16, 2009 from http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Tonka_GoBots
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But really, how many people care about the Elita-1 character? She was in, what, one or two episodes in G1? Did she even appear in the comic at all? Has the name appeared in any subsequent universes, apart from the recent comic stuff I'm too busy to read? They reuse names to maintain trademarks, plain and simple. There are countless examples of names being used arbitrarily to maintain Hasbro/Takara's rights, so who cares if Elita-1 is one of the group of three bikes?
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How about the name "Leader-1", essentially the same thing as "Elita-1"? It's on a min-con. Granted, it's Megatron's mini-con, but the very fact that he's a subservient mini-con means that the name doesn't dictate position or vice versa.

Edit: Off topic, does anyone else see a resemblance between Mr. Budyanski and Bob from Heroes? Maybe it's because the have the same name.
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Plus the previous movie Elita-One (possibly the same character, possibly not. Certainly I expect Tales of the Fallen to at least cover the change in Arcee from how IDW have previously portrayed the character, they might bring E1 back as well) hadn't the slightest hint of any connection to Optimus or being a leader in either her IDW or Titan appearances. I think in the Titan comics Op spoke to her directly about twice when giving orders.



No no no. He's the crazy guy from Ghostbusters 2/Ally McBeal. It's actually nice to see the DVD bods have tracked him down for a chat. Now, if someoen could just go round his house with a scanner and go through that box of papers and put them online...

The Minicon, Leader-1, was Sunbservient to Megatron alone, he was still a leader to the other Minicons under Decepticon control, a very good one at that. Thus, his name still fit him. It wasn't randomly slapped on.

The Elita-1 from the 2007 movie comics and toy line, as well was still a leader, her toy bio also stated this. She was one of the oldest female Transformers, High ranking (a rank of 8), and well respectedóElita-1 on TFU.Info, Elita-One. So, once again, it was not a name-slap.

Just because Elita-1 wasn't a major recurring character in the original series, it doesn't make her name any less significant. Her name has a very significant meaning, and the few characters who have held that name (mostly incarnations of G1 Elita-1) have been leaders and/or have a very close connection to Optimus Prime.
 
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Elita-1 in Animated, from what I've seen, was a throwaway reference to someone who died off-screen.
 
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Elita-1 in Animated, from what I've seen, was a throwaway reference to someone who died off-screen.
Well, she didn't die off screen, she became Blackarachnia. She was, however, very close to Optimus. Watch the episode, Along Came a Spider again.
 
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Yep, lots of emotional subtext between Elita/BA and Optimus or the Tick ... SENTINEL. I mean Sentinel.

One of the highlights of the series that might have been very enjoyable had Cartoon Network somehow decided to stick with the franchise.
 

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Yep, lots of emotional subtext between Elita/BA and Optimus or the Tick ... SENTINEL. I mean Sentinel.

One of the highlights of the series that might have been very enjoyable had Cartoon Network somehow decided to stick with the franchise.
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The Minicon, Leader-1, was Sunbservient to Megatron alone, he was still a leader to the other Minicons under Decepticon control, a very good one at that. Thus, his name still fit him. It wasn't randomly slapped on.
Did he do any leading? In the comic he was pretty much out for himself and by himself when he was wasn't Megatron's whipping boy. And none of the episodes of the cartoon I saw had him displaying any personality.

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But in her only fictional appearances she isn't, she's basically just a grunt. Doesn't mean the ROTF version can't be more significant of course. And to a certain extent it would have been a name slap, on the grounds what else would they call a Arcee repaint? The other fembots are on the third tier. They might have made the toy bio match the name they slapped on, but none of the people writing for her have followed that.
 
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Did he do any leading? In the comic he was pretty much out for himself and by himself when he was wasn't Megatron's whipping boy. And none of the episodes of the cartoon I saw had him displaying any personality.



But in her only fictional appearances she isn't, she's basically just a grunt. Doesn't mean the ROTF version can't be more significant of course. And to a certain extent it would have been a name slap, on the grounds what else would they call a Arcee repaint? The other fembots are on the third tier. They might have made the toy bio match the name they slapped on, but none of the people writing for her have followed that.
Yes, she was a leader. She was a high ranking officer. This was made clear in Reign of Starscream, she wasn't a grunt. She was a mentor and leader to Arcee. Also, the Energon Arcee mold was used for a number of female Transformers, including Chromia (for BotCon, Timelines set). If she were just going to be a "Standard grunt", there were numerous names they could have drawn on. The list of female Transformers in canon, isn't exactly a "short" one. They could have pulled from any of them, but they specifically chose Elita-1 because of who she is as a character, and the role she plays.
As for Leader-1, yes, he did, in the comics, especially according to his bio. Yes, he was Megatron's "whipping boy" because he sought to be recognized as the leader he was and had the full potential to be. His bio (written in Megatron's words) says that Leader-1 worked hard to ingratiate himself to Megatron to be given recognition and favor, including giving tactical advice and keeping the other Minicons in line. Megatron admits fully that Leader-1 is an exceptional tactician and highly intelligent, but specifically won't grant him any "real authority" simply because he is a Minicon. Leader-1 though, is indeed a leader, in ability at least, if not actuality. The only thing keeping him from any actual authority and power is Megatron, someone who absolutely will not share power with anyone.
 
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I know a guy named Dick. He's actually very nice.
 
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I guess I should just be blunt.

The names of the toys are all marketing/branding uses. Simply put, if you want to believe something else, feel free, but do not confuse the motivation of renaming new toys with with personalities of the created characters.

The characters are created to promote the toys and not the other way around. Leader-1 was not a leader as a jet to robot toy, or as a mini-con, he was named by some marketing person who thought children would want to get the toys.

The toys were not very popular as Diaclones, and only became popular through marketing and advertising. Since part of the marketing strategy was to create characters that children could relate and want to emulate, all of the traits crafted are human traits. The names are simple in design and simple in use.

The naming of Transformer toys was a word association and nothing more. Bob's list had over 300 names that had no toy associations. Since there were no toys to associate with the names, the word associations were creative in nature and written down as reference for later. Bob did not create names solely by the way he wanted a character to be identified, he created names as other artists do, as he was inspired. This would explain why he would carry the paper with him and jot down names as he was inspired with one.

Naming characters takes a lot of creativity. What if Starscream had been "Ulchtar!" as originally written? Would that have worked? No. The reason was the name was edited and recreated. Starscream just fits the character Bob created.

Easily recreated as well. Seekers were mostly repaints. So were most of the Autobot cars.

Each was given a distinct personality, and the role was created to fit within the hierarchy of the Autobots and Decepticons storyline. We will always see the Optimus Primes, the Megatrons and the Galvatrons in every future series of Transformers because those are some of the strongest brands of the Transformer Brand. No matter if Optimus Prime becomes a piece of broccoli in the Veggi-formers series!

The fictional characters Bob created were a modern masterpiece.
 
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Veggieformers?

Well, it would probably be better than Energon....
 

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