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Old 2014-06-27, 10:31 PM   #21
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Old 2014-06-28, 07:56 PM   #22
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Ohhhhh... maybe it's Ratchet working with Whirl and the others to get Megatron killed?
Being frank as he is, it's hard for me to picture Ratchet as the cloak and dagger type. Would add an interesting new layer to the character, though.

See, the problem with speculating who'd be out to provoke and/or kill Megatron is, well, just about everyone on board is a likely suspect, having warred with the guy for 4 million odd years.

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Old 2014-06-29, 12:07 AM   #23
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Being frank as he is, it's hard for me to picture Ratchet as the cloak and dagger type. Would add an interesting new layer to the character, though.
Don't forget that IDW Ratchet was first introduced as a rule breaker acting out on his own against orders because he thought he was making the morally right choice. Could well happen again.

Strangely, I think pre-Remain in Light Magnus would go along with Megatron better than post-revealing who he truly is and him becoming comfortable enough with not being a law enforcer to pass it onto Fort Max.

That does slighltly worry me as something that might get lost now Megatron is basicaly sharing the most important position on the ship with Rodimus- What is the role of Magnus now and what follow up will we get to the moments in Dark Cybertron of him adjusting to not being the rigid enforcer of the Tyrest Accord any more?

I suppose there is one big weakness in the set up of how Megatron ends up on the ship... It depends on Cybertronian law being so rigid that no one can just go "That's an ancient and silly law we just don't follow anymore" (technically you can expect six months in prison in the UK if you kill a swan and you're not the Queen, has that ever, ever been enforced?), and it also comes right after the revelation Tyrest was regularly and insanely changing the Cybertronian statue book on mad whims without Ultra Magnus or any other followers of the law seeming to find it odd.

Plus, after the Tyrest revelations, shouldn't the entire legal system have been reconsidered from top to bottom before any new trials took place?
 
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Old 2014-06-29, 03:36 AM   #24
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I suppose there is one big weakness in the set up of how Megatron ends up on the ship... It depends on Cybertronian law being so rigid that no one can just go "That's an ancient and silly law we just don't follow anymore" (technically you can expect six months in prison in the UK if you kill a swan and you're not the Queen, has that ever, ever been enforced?), and it also comes right after the revelation Tyrest was regularly and insanely changing the Cybertronian statue book on mad whims without Ultra Magnus or any other followers of the law seeming to find it odd.
It's a doozy alright. Never mind that none of the Knights are present; they've made themselves elusive. It's as if they don't want to be found. There's no practical way of honoring this law.

I can go along the with explanation that the Autobots were saving face during a rather skewed public trial. And Megatron did do his part by renouncing the Decepticons. But with all the measures put in place to make certain he behaves himself during the trip, I'm still struggling with how that makes him suitable to command.

Just want to make clear, I've found this whole trial storyline hugely entertaining. A bit dragged out, but still entertaining. But, I'm not sure how "freedom of movement" = command of an Autobot ship.

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Uh, maybe it's just the newer stuff Tyrest enacted that's been reconsidered...?

Tyrest losing his mind was a relatively recent thing wasn't it?
 
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Old 2014-06-29, 09:54 AM   #25
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I think the *reasonable* aka not forced explanation by hasbro of why Megatron is on the ship is because Prime wanted a counter-balance to Rodimus.

Magnus does not appear so hot on taking command of the ship for the entirety of the quest [as evidenced on how uneasy he felt on DC], and Optimus clearly has lost some faith/trust in Rodimus with the whole Overlord and vote thing later on.

I suppose Prime feels that Megatron, with his new outlook and firm commanding abilities will complement Rodimus with his gung-ho persona and unchecked egoism.

Though I struggle to make sense of why he'd put these two in a command position of a ship with such an important mission; more than half the crew does not trust Rodimus anymore, and nearly nobody trusts or wants Megatron anyway.
 

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Old 2014-06-29, 10:57 AM   #26
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My thoughts:

Thunderclash is said to have disappeared. Could the Vis Vitalis have suffered the same fate as the Lost Light, but perhaps without the chance to abandon ship? I'm guessing we are looking at the ship/s slipping into some parallel dimension (or similar) rather than being lost forever. Could Thunderclash already be in Cyberutopia?

Secondly, Whirl was confined to quarters. His avatar was in Swerve's when the ship started to vanish, but I haven't spotted him after that. While I expect the "real" Whirl did have freedom of movement, could it be possible he was left locked in his room during the frantic scramble for the exits? Could Mr. Unvincible have gone to the same place as the Lost Light? If so, it could be interesting to see if his avatar still exists in the escape pod, and if he can then communicate between the dimensions.

This is all pure speculation, but then that is what MTMTE tends to lead us to. So many mysteries, so many mysteries.

For my part, I'm not entirely convinced my Megatron being given a command position. It seems unrealistic, even in a comic about giant transforming robots from an alien world. A non-executive role as an advisor, mission strategist, or similar could've worked. There could still have been tension between him and Rodimus as Roddy would surely feel undermined just by Megatron's presence on the ship, regardless of his title/rank.

Not yet getting the feels for S2. Riptide is meh, Nautica is OK, and Nightbeat is good. Hoping for some development on the First Aid thing. Could he become Nightbeat's Watson? Also confused on why Ratchet is still there much as I love him (and I do). Everything feels too compressed and "bitty" to really enjoy at the moment. I'm hoping for some decompression soon (though not quite RID levels of decompression, hopefully!).
 

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Old 2014-06-29, 07:00 PM   #27
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Have had a chance to read this properly now. There's a lot going on, maybe a bit too much, but there's some very entertaining stuff in there.

I'm quite satisfied with the installment of Megatron - it really comes down to Prime wanting it to happen. He's put in contingencies because he doesn't completely trust him but I can buy that Prime would send him off on a custom-made redemption quest. The idea of seeking the Knights for judgement is a good one too, especially as Megatron seems to be at least toying with the idea that he's going to conquer those fools and nab their planet.

The punchline that Rodimus had been sulking the whole time was a good one. The scene with him and the corpse is very, very Red Dwarf but it's not the first time and won't be the last.

Digging the Swerve summary pages. They get the tone just right like the TFUK letter pages at their best.

Of the current mysteries I reckon the Atomiser / list thread is the best one. It's simple and plays to the characters and looks like it could be unpicked if one was clever enough. The disappearing ship and the coffin are just too technobabbly to get their hooks into me, though they are both solid Golden Age SF plots.

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Uh, maybe it's just the newer stuff Tyrest enacted that's been reconsidered...?

Tyrest losing his mind was a relatively recent thing wasn't it?
It's a bit unclear just how much of the law it was that Tyrest was in charge of. The Tyrest Accord is said to be an appendix to the Autobot Code and also contain all the rules and engagement for the war. Was Tyrest editing the whole Autobot Code or what? And surely this particular law would pre-date the Autobot Code. Makes sense for there to several levels of law seeing how old the society is.

While Megatron's renunciation is an affecting scene, it is kind of nice to see Prime get an actual, unambiguous victory for once. He got Megatron to tell all Decepticons to stand down. That's impressive.

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I'm willing to bet money on Thunderclash having been to Cyberutopia and back by the time Megatron finds it.
 
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Old 2014-06-30, 12:04 PM   #28
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A shallow comment; but I was slightly miffed that the cover image (the ships hurriedly leaving the Lost Light), was pretty much the final page of the issue.

I bought this comic thinking that's where we'd start from. Not that there was anything wrong with the actual content, but I was really itching to see what would happen after the escape, and now I've got to wait another month.

As others have said, these issues are dense, and one's that i'll happily read again and again like Shadowplay or Delphi. The 'World Shut Your Mouth' story must be the densest MTMTE storyline so far. So much so that it feels like its trying to squeeze too much in, but I'd rather that than too little. However, as a result the Getaway/Tailgate banter pops up seemingly out of nowhere and ends just as abruptly (in their final panel Cyclonus is grasping his sword, as if ready to do something).

I'm REALLY intrigued by Megatron's nauseous reaction to Chomedome's interfacing.

I still don't understand the revelance of Riptide and Nautica being in the book. Are they new robots with toys on the market? There must be some mandate forcing Roberts to use them, otherwise their lines could go to actual Autobots...

And how dodgy is Atomizer, eh? Eh?

Megatron must wonder how the hell they lost to this lot!
 

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Old 2014-06-30, 02:36 PM   #29
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Old 2014-06-30, 05:17 PM   #30
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Cyclonus was molested by a famous entertainer, you know. Otherwise he'd be a pure-as-snow Autobot.

Forgot to say I also appreciate that the Season 1 characters haven't really faded into the background so much. Ratchet and Chromedome are still getting significant screen time. Skids is kinda there and because Swerve is acting like an arse at the moment its no great shakes not having him around... Bluestreak is filling his position more or less. So at least the last three issues haven't been a total departure from the robots we're used to, which is nice.

I thought for a moment we'd just get a wholly different set, like in Shadowplay where Rewind would go to different groups of Autobots to get them to tell stories to revive Rung... Season 2: Cue Siren and co. So yeah, nice to see them mixing in rather than sharp focus on a whole new set.
 
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Old 2014-06-30, 06:13 PM   #31
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I still don't understand the revelance of Riptide and Nautica being in the book. Are they new robots with toys on the market? There must be some mandate forcing Roberts to use them, otherwise their lines could go to actual Autobots...
Riptide and Nautica are there for flavour. And they can get toys later on, no worries [I'm thinking Nautica is a windblade remould--general robot shape is the same, already has turbines on her "wings" etc]. Same arguement could easily be made for -ANY- non 1st tier character in season 1, and it all went well.

Am I the only one that finds that the issue "descriptions" [the ones we got months ago] do not match the issues at all? Or in some cases, even the damn covers?

Last issue was more or less pitched as a "Tailgate stands up to Megatron" solicitation...which never happened.

This issue it seemed a bit less "completely out of context", but still...weird.
 

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Old 2014-06-30, 06:21 PM   #32
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Last issue was more or less pitched as a "Tailgate stands up to Megatron" solicitation...which never happened.

This issue it seemed a bit less "completely out of context", but still...weird.
Oh yeah that's a good point. I didn't mind that Tailgate didn't meet Megatron in that issue, simply because the cover was so awesome. So you're right that cover does commit more of a sin than the present one.

I wish I was able to find the cover from last year (or whenever) with Tailgate on the front standing next to the C-62 Bomb. Any cover with him on has been great. I'd count Issue 30's regular cover as the most boring of the MTMTE run.

Also, Broadside looks like he could duff up anyone!
 
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Old 2014-06-30, 06:27 PM   #33
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and now I've got to wait another month.
Two weeks, actually. #31 is due July 9.

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It certainly reads better as a whole -- well, the flashback sequences do, as that section of the story is now complete -- but for the sake of pacing and breathing space, I still believe the trial by itself should've served as a prologue for 'season 2', before jumping into the disappearances, and the corpse, and folks reaction to Megatron inexplicably being 'co-captain' of the ship.
 
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Old 2014-06-30, 06:35 PM   #34
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Old 2014-07-03, 04:22 AM   #36
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Oh, gee willikers! You mean Rodimus isn't dead after all? How shocking! Roberts has never pulled that one before...

It's also awesome how Megatron, in spite of clearly behaving and being treated like he's totally in charge of the ship for the first two issues (including being called "captain", not "co-captain", and being able to unilaterally promote people to senior positions) turns out not to be. It sure was nice for the entire crew to irrationally behave in just such a way as to preserve Roberts' tired, played-out "shock", wasn't it?

The conclusion to Megatron's trial was completely and utterly anticlimactic, as there was no conclusion, just a continuance. Meanwhile Optimus Prime is a huge asshole, forcing Megatron to denounce the Decepticon cause for absolutely no reason (nobody is going to be convinced by it -- Soundwave et. al. have already decided to fight, and those who've had enough, like Starscream, have already decided to give it up) other than to rub salt in the wound and get some measure of payback on Megatron for manoeuvring his way out of a death sentence.

Optimus Prime should be above petty impulses like that.

Somehow "we don't have the authority to execute you" becomes "here, have command of a crew of Autobots" in spite of the fact that the Lost Light is Rodimus's personal property and his mission, such as it was, was explicitly not an official one. Plus Optimus Prime doesn't actually have authority over anyone anymore, since he abdicated his claim to power and let Starscream take over the planet. So, uh, yeah. All this just happens because the plot says it has to. All of this so Hasbro can feel justified in including an Autobot sticker with their next Megatron toy.

Oh, and the entire issue makes Optimus out to be stupid, spiteful and a bully, and Optimus should never be any of those things.

I'm sorry, but Roberts is better than this. There are some good parts to this story, lots of the trademark Roberts wit and and an interesting mystery with the ship disappearing. But the whole "trial of Megatron" story comes out, in the end, like time wasted trying to explain the unexplainable. No matter what they did, it was never going to make any sense and the whole thing was always going to come down to a gigantic handwave. The whole thing should just have been dispensed with with a few lines of exposition so that they could move on to the actually interesting story that's been floating around in the background, and that finally seems to be coming to a head next issue.
 
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Old 2014-07-04, 03:05 PM   #38
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Nah, I didn't swear enough.

I'd probably be a lot more generous to the story if Roberts hadn't played the "a character is horribly injured/dead...hohoho nope, just kidding, he's fine!" card for the seventh time* in two and a half years.

*Am I missing any? I count:
  1. All the characters who "burned up in the atmosphere" in #1 that were inexplicably fine in #2
  2. Rung's head gets blown up, only for him to be alive next issue
  3. Red Alert survives decapitation
  4. Swerve's face gets shot off, only for him to be fixed next issue without even comment
  5. Magnus magically survives an "incurable" spark injury, and getting his head crushed (I'm generiously counting this as one incident...)
  6. Tailgate "dies", except nope, getting stabbed magically fixes him somehow
  7. Rodimus this issue

It's not even funny at this point, it's just sad.
 
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It's already been established that Cybertronians are pretty hard to kill, though - hence the Relinquishment Clinics where Chromedome and Rewind met. I didn't really see any of those as 'fake-outs' per se (except perhaps Rung's) since we've seen Transformers survive that sort of thing many times. And some of those are there to drive plot and character - Magnus's survival leads us to Tyrest (and also sets up Tyrest's own escape); Tailgate's survival is a result of a thawing in the relationship between Whirl and Cyclonus. You know what I mean? He's not 'faking' deaths for no reason - it's because it serves the drama and the plot.

I dunno. I'm just not that fussed about characters dying. Once they're dead you can't use them again!
 

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Old 2014-07-04, 05:55 PM   #40
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I get what you're saying. It's a valid plot device but the problem is that Roberts has overused it to the point where it's become tired and predictable.

A huge part of the drama and tension in a series like this comes from putting the characters in danger. But if they basically can't die, then they're not in danger and there's no drama. Reading threads on other forums, when it turned out Rodimus was in the coffin or mini-Magnus got his head squashed, instead of being shocked or upset fans were speculating on how next issue would reveal that he wasn't actually dead. The cliffhangers had absolutely no tension to them because everyone knew that the next issue would immediately show the "death" to be a red herring.

I agree with you about not wanting to see characters die. Wanton character death like we've seen in a lot of other comics is simply wasteful. But if you're not going to kill any important characters, then you probably shouldn't built the climax of 1/4 of your issues around a scenario designed to make it look like someone is dead/dying. Find another way to tell the story that you want to tell. That's all I'm saying.
 
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