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Old 2018-01-28, 04:32 PM   #1
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I went to see this last week and thought it was pretty good. Good, solid character arcs and some neat set pieces. I've got to be honest, I can't wait for all the old cast to be moved on. A lot of the appearances by the old characters feel a bit "for the fans" and they don't serve much purpose - with Skywalker being the only classic character to get anything useful to do. And by the way, do Aliens not age? How old is Chewbacca and that funny X-Wing pilot looks like Frank Sidebottom I remember from the originals?

I was way more engaged with the new cast. Rey remains great and I got a lot more out of Kylo Ren this time around, which was good - there's a key moment in the film near the end that I would have liked to have seen followed through to see where it went, but as with all these things, the status quo wins out. Nice reveal about Rey's parents, which I liked Bit disappointed Finn doesn't get much to do, ditto Phasma turning up for about 3 lines was ...not worth the effort. Rose was a nice addition and er, rose above the plot convenience she started off as.

General Hux! Man I love this guy, he's so pompous, and I liked Adrian Edmonson being his deputy (that made me cheer more than seeing bloody Threepio again - can't someone deactivate him?). Snoake was the world's creepiest Granddad and looked like a seedy old perv crossed with Goldmember in that silly gold robe.

The space battles and that were cool and that - I like the slightly impractical Republic bombers with their silly design flaw (hope they get that looked into for future use).

And that is my immediate thoughts!
 
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Old 2018-01-29, 03:14 PM   #2
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All I took home from it was three plotholes, in order of magnitute;

3) After railing on the treatment of the children at the casino planet, how come the Asian girl whose name I've already forgotten saved the not-horses but not the kids?
2) Why did Holdo wait for over half of the shuttles to be blown up before ramming the Imperial fleet? She didn't even move the ship to shield them or anything!
1) How the hell did DJ know about the plan rebel escape plan? Literally nobody told him about it or were even capable of telling him.

I didn't expect Snoke to expire this soon. They didn't even tell us who the hell he was! Is he gonna come back in episode IX or something?

I think the Imperial officers acting so hammy feels like a step backwards, to the kind of "bwahaha" attitude they had in the Holiday Special. They at least had some class in the originals, but that was probably in part of them being played almost exclusively by veteran Brit actors.

Also I heard a rumor that they killed Luke in post and didn't tell Mark Hamill about it, based on him being really excited about the movie but then acting really rude towards the director and Rey's actor afterwards.

In case you didn't already figure it out, my reaction wasn't exactly positive.
 
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Old 2018-01-29, 04:58 PM   #3
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I thought it was an alright movie, better than any of the prequels, Episode VII and at least some of the OT as well. But I don't really think too highly of most of the other Star Wars movies, so this is at least partly damning with faint praise. Video games and other secondary media have always been way more enjoyable for me than the movies themselves.

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I've got to be honest, I can't wait for all the old cast to be moved on. A lot of the appearances by the old characters feel a bit "for the fans" and they don't serve much purpose - with Skywalker being the only classic character to get anything useful to do.
I thought it ironic that the movie teased Leia dying and had at least four good openings to write her out, but didn't, only for the actress to up and die on them.

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And by the way, do Aliens not age? How old is Chewbacca and that funny X-Wing pilot looks like Frank Sidebottom I remember from the originals?
Wookiees live 200+ years, I think? So aside from maybe a few more grey hairs Chewie would probably still be in the prime of his life.

No idea about Nein Numb the mouse man, but in Episode VII I scoffed because CGI Admiral Ackbar actually looked a lot younger than ROTJ puppet Ackbar did.

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I was way more engaged with the new cast.
I'm honestly a bit split on the new cast. I like Rey, and Rose was pretty cool. But Poe and Finn are just so poorly written in comparison. Finn especially just gives me whiplash every time he's on screen, jumping from worthless dirty coward to suicidally brave every ten minutes, and basically comes across as a dumbass who's only useful when there's a girl around he wants to impress.

Kylo Ren is actually pretty hilarious. He can't stop brooding even when he's just made himself the unquestioned ruler of the whole galaxy! Even his military equipment is emo, like the AT-ATs that are identical to the OT versions but for the addition of ANGRY EYE!-shaped windows. He's trying to be the new Vader but all he's managed so far is to be the new Episode II Anakin. But at least this sort of portrayal is more entertaining when we're not supposed to root for the guy.

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1) How the hell did DJ know about the plan rebel escape plan? Literally nobody told him about it or were even capable of telling him.
This bugged me too. I don't get how the baddies went from "The Rebels are about to sabotage our sensors so their cruiser can escape!" to "They're launching escape pods!" There's no logical connection there.

Also, it really bugged me that, as far as I could tell, no one even said DJ's name the whole time he was on screen.

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I didn't expect Snoke to expire this soon. They didn't even tell us who the hell he was! Is he gonna come back in episode IX or something?
Snoke dying like a bitch was hilarious, honestly, but I do think that a whole bunch of the decisions in the movie were made entirely to subvert people's expectations. Snoke dying, Poe's rebellion turning out the way it did, Leia constantly surviving in spite of being the old mentor figure, Holdo not turning out to be a traitor, Finn and Rose picking up some random scumbag who doesn't go on to become a key member of the rebellion because he actually is a scumbag, etc... It's like they saw how much people complained about The Force Awakens being predictable and went "Well, we'll show them! Subvert every expectation!"

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I think the Imperial officers acting so hammy feels like a step backwards, to the kind of "bwahaha" attitude they had in the Holiday Special. They at least had some class in the originals, but that was probably in part of them being played almost exclusively by veteran Brit actors.
I had a similar reaction. Between Kylo cutting himself as he listens to My Chemical Romance, Huxx being a slimy twerp and Snoke having gone to the Skeletor school of villainy, they were pretty caroonish. Even the secondary baddies had a certain "mwa-ha-ha!" air to them, where the random Imperial officers in the original trilogy mostly just came off as generic professional military officers.

I found it a bit difficult to take the whole circus serious as a threat.
 
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Old 2018-01-29, 06:16 PM   #4
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Snoke dying like a bitch was hilarious, honestly, but I do think that a whole bunch of the decisions in the movie were made entirely to subvert people's expectations. Snoke dying, Poe's rebellion turning out the way it did, Leia constantly surviving in spite of being the old mentor figure, Holdo not turning out to be a traitor, Finn and Rose picking up some random scumbag who doesn't go on to become a key member of the rebellion because he actually is a scumbag, etc... It's like they saw how much people complained about The Force Awakens being predictable and went "Well, we'll show them! Subvert every expectation!"
The worst part about all that is how much sense it makes.

Which kind of backfired IMO since it feels even less like a Star Wars movie as a result. I feel like they kind of missed the point of Star Wars being a homage to oldschool action adventure serials. The predictability wasn't the issue with TFA, it's that they pretty much just remade another Star Wars movie.

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I had a similar reaction. Between Kylo cutting himself as he listens to My Chemical Romance, Huxx being a slimy twerp and Snoke having gone to the Skeletor school of villainy, they were pretty caroonish. Even the secondary baddies had a certain "mwa-ha-ha!" air to them, where the random Imperial officers in the original trilogy mostly just came off as generic professional military officers.
Probably the closest we saw to a non-hammy villain among them was the Dreadnought captain - and even then the movie made sure to remind us he's evil by bathing his ship's bridge entirely in red light.
 
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