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by Tramp
Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:25 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

Now that makes sense, syncing up the colour with the name would probably take a little more thought, about ten minuets ("Can you make this one blue? I like blue the same way I like my purple Skywarp. Behold Chromia!"). I've no idea how this thread wound up as a Elita 1 discussion then, es...
by Tramp
Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:08 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

Wait, I've clearly gotten turned around somewhere, do all three bikes actually have names or is it Arcee and Chromia with unknown rather than Arcee and Elita One with unknown? I seem to have gotten confused by the way some peeps have been bandying Elita 1's name about. If the middle bike is unnamed...
by Tramp
Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:56 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

Machine Wars Soundwave was a fairly random reuse of that name (hell, a few of the others were as well, though Megatron a cute little jet is at least more imposing than the Walther). I honestly don't think any more though was put into picking Elita's name for both the second repaint of Arcee toy in ...
by Tramp
Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:13 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

Thanks for clarifying. Not actually, no. You just listed a bunch of character traits that go hand-in-hand with one name and then did the same for another name, and then said that one name carries meaning and character and the other doesn't. Moreover, you just said how pliable character-naming can b...
by Tramp
Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:57 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

She existed solely to provide a backstory for Blackarachnia, and could just as easily have been named Chromia, Moonracer, or Phillip. Not true because neither Chromia nor Moonracer had a connection to Optimus. Elita does. That is what makes Blackarachnia's story so tragic. It's her connection to Op...
by Tramp
Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:15 am
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

By your "Arcee could not be Elita-1's superior" reasoning, then Ultra Magnus should have not been the Autobot commander in Transformers Animated. Optimus Prime had to report to him. Hasbro will do what it thinks will make money. End of story. Not true. Ultra Magnus also has a similar mean...
by Tramp
Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:02 am
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

So, then, it's no good that G1 and ROTF Wheelie share a name, since they have absolutely nothing in common other than being small in stature? The name "Wheelie" has no major significance. Certain names have certain significance and meaning. "Elita-1" is one of those types of nam...
by Tramp
Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:57 am
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

I agree with you that he carefully crafted the names and that he gave particular personalities to particular characters. I also agree that the term "name slapping" does not fit with the method of naming the toys. How I disagree with some of your previous statements stems from where the to...
by Tramp
Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:33 am
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

I guess I should just be blunt. The names of the toys are all marketing/branding uses. Simply put, if you want to believe something else, feel free, but do not confuse the motivation of renaming new toys with with personalities of the created characters. The characters are created to promote the to...
by Tramp
Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:24 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

Did he do any leading? In the comic he was pretty much out for himself and by himself when he was wasn't Megatron's whipping boy. And none of the episodes of the cartoon I saw had him displaying any personality. But in her only fictional appearances she isn't, she's basically just a grunt. Doesn't ...
by Tramp
Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:52 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

Rurudyne wrote:Yep, lots of emotional subtext between Elita/BA and Optimus or the Tick ... SENTINEL. I mean Sentinel.

One of the highlights of the series that might have been very enjoyable had Cartoon Network somehow decided to stick with the franchise.
Exactly.
by Tramp
Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:39 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

Dead Man Wade wrote:Elita-1 in Animated, from what I've seen, was a throwaway reference to someone who died off-screen.
Well, she didn't die off screen, she became Blackarachnia. She was, however, very close to Optimus. Watch the episode, Along Came a Spider again.
by Tramp
Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:24 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

Hasbro bought out Tonka toys in 1991. Originally, the Gobots had been released as Machine Robo toys prior to Tonka Toys release of the Gobot. The Gobots had a story line added and created the Machine Robo toys into a new toy line. The Gobots were the Transformers competition, but lost out in popula...
by Tramp
Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:16 am
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

To be fair though, there has been a lot of random name reusage in the years since, sometime to do with keeping a copyright and sometimes because they don't have any better ideas. To pick a example, does Armada Nightbeat have any association in terms of character, appearance or alt mode with the ori...
by Tramp
Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:08 am
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

To be faire, Mr. Budiansky did just put names to most of the figures. According to TFWiki, Mr. Budiansky also created the backstory and history of the characters. So in fact he did kind of just name-slap names to figures, since he was the one who created most of the characters in the first place. S...
by Tramp
Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:50 am
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: Names and their Meanings (Largely ROTF) **spoilers**
Replies: 94
Views: 39693

http://lolligagger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Bob-Budiansky.jpg http://lolligagger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Dead-Sea-Scrolls-Bob.jpg Apparently all you need is a piece of paper and a pencil with you to name them. As seen in the interview on the 3rd disc of the 25th Anniversary Season One ...
by Tramp
Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:14 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: 13 sarcophagi in ROTF novel.
Replies: 16
Views: 5271

Brimstone wrote:That's kinda stretching the definition of the term, isn't it? :)
No. I don't think so. The Sarcophagi would have to open for the Thirteen to enter them in the first place, wouldn't they? :)
by Tramp
Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:01 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: 13 sarcophagi in ROTF novel.
Replies: 16
Views: 5271

Brimstone wrote:Only in the comic. That's the only place the term is used. And in the movie, there is no sarcophogus...just a freaky S&M/B&D recliner. :)
Which, while the design might be different, could be interpreted as his Sarcophagus (opened up). :p
by Tramp
Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:43 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: 13 sarcophagi in ROTF novel.
Replies: 16
Views: 5271

At the end of the novel there are "row upon row" of sarcophagi, each holding a protoform. I'm thinking "sarcophagi" is just "stasis pod." Megatron then tells the protoforms to arise. It doesn't say anything anywhere about a lack of Energon killing the protoforms. Yeah,...
by Tramp
Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:41 pm
Forum: Transformers Media / Fandom
Topic: 13 sarcophagi in ROTF novel.
Replies: 16
Views: 5271

I know, but the novel doesn't say anything about the hatchlings at all. The setup on the Nemesis was definately different in the novel than either the comic or the movie. In fact, I'll check when I get home to be sure, but the epilogue in the comic that shows Megatron hovering over the stasis pods ...