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Tigahawk question

Post by Computron » Mon Dec 10, 2001 12:14 pm

Just wondering, Is Tigerhawk technically an optimal robot as he is the combination of two sparks (just like Megs and Optimal Op) who are bothe considered to be Optimals.



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Post by Halfshell » Mon Dec 10, 2001 7:05 pm

Optimals? Say what now Compy?

The only character for whom the term "Optimal" in any canonical sense, can be applied, is OpOp.

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Post by Computron » Mon Dec 10, 2001 7:11 pm

well what do you call tfs then that are the combination of two sparks?

they aint normal tfs as normal tfs only have one spark. Also even when they do take the other spark out the original spark is forever changed by this encounter (megs has a temper as is still seen in bm due to original megs spark and Optimus shows signs of the original optimus Prime (being able to speak with vector sigma)

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Post by Halfshell » Mon Dec 10, 2001 7:27 pm

Originally posted by Computron:
well what do you call tfs then that are the combination of two sparks?
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There's only been one combination. Technically, I'd say he's a Fuzor, as the two sparks (supposedly) fused.

Optimus and Megatron merely carried their passenger sparks (if they'd fused, the wouldn't have been able to return them.)

This is in evidence as far as Optimus is concerned, by the fact that he carried it in his cockpit, far away from his own spark. Image

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Post by Computron » Mon Dec 10, 2001 7:44 pm

but optimus's tm form it is shown that the two sparks are together as he bring primes spark towards his own. As for Megatron he also brings the original megs's spark towards his own.

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Post by Halfshell » Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:41 pm

Ah, but at what point did any merger occur, eh?

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Post by Osku » Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:59 pm

Tigerhawk. Optimal robot? Fuzor?

I´m having trouble accepting these definitions. Not without confusion at least. I´m not sure there´s anyone like him/her. The closest thing to Tigerhawk I could think of is God Jinrai from Masterforce. So there´s no good already existing definition IMHO.

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Post by LordSixshot » Tue Dec 11, 2001 1:45 pm

I agree with Brend. He is totally a fuzor, white crap tiger bird. However I never thought they used the term 'fuzor' to define when 2 sparks had fused together, more that 2 different stupid-looking shouldn't be put together under any circumstances animals had. The other fuzors don't have merged sparks, but seeing as Tigerhawk is a stupid combination of the 2 worst BW characters in existence, then that'd make him a fuzor.

As for a name for a tf with a combination of 2 or more sparks, then gestalt isn't a bad name for 'em really. I presume that when G1 gestalts are formed, like Superion for example, then the sparks of the Aerialbots are temporarily merged to give Superion a new personality. Well if they had thought about sparks in G1 then that's what I reckon happened anyway.

So I think Tigerhawk is a fuzor and a gestalt. A fuzor-gestalt tiger bird. I hate the stupid hermaphrodite anyway.

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Post by Shrapnel Clone » Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:01 pm

Wouldn't that be a Transmetal 2 Fuzor gestalt hermaphrodite?

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Post by sprites touch » Wed Dec 12, 2001 3:46 am

Fuzors are tfs that their alt mode is fused out of two original life forms DNA, regardless of a spark.
A gestalt is formed out of the sparks of the members, creating a fuzed spark(that is if G1ers had sparks) with a new personality.
a TM2 is a tf that was transformed with the TM2 drive.
So yhea, Tiga'ho' is a gestalt fuzor thing, not sure about the TM2 though(just because the box says so, and that it was a trend for the other TFs at the time to become TM2, doesn't mean he automaticly is one as well).

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Post by Shrapnel Clone » Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:00 am

Originally posted by sprites touch:
Fuzors are tfs that their alt mode is fused out of two original life forms DNA, regardless of a spark.
A gestalt is formed out of the sparks of the members, creating a fuzed spark(that is if G1ers had sparks) with a new personality.
a TM2 is a tf that was transformed with the TM2 drive.
So yhea, Tiga'ho' is a gestalt fuzor thing, not sure about the TM2 though(just because the box says so, and that it was a trend for the other TFs at the time to become TM2, doesn't mean he automaticly is one as well).
Well, all the others are a mesh of flesh and steel in both modes, and so is he. AND he was created by the Vok, just like the TM2-creating device.... I'd say he's a TM2 Image

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Post by Computron » Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:35 pm

plus he had spark powers which are custom to tm2's Image

anyway I actually think that optimal, megs and tigahawk are all something different from gestalts, fuzors etc..

For a start a Gestalt is able to return to normal once he has separated and the bw guys remain upgraded after they have combined. It was this term (that I simply call optimisation although I doubt it has any proper name but I can't really call it "that thing that happens when.....") that I was saying I think Tigahawk fits into

If I was forced to put Tigahawk into any catergory we have I would have to say he is a TM2 Fuzor

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Post by Starscreamsghost » Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:10 am

Any way we can drag RiD Scourge into this?

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Post by Pun-3X » Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:50 am

*picks up SSG by the collar and dumps him back in the Car Robots/RiD forum.*

What's worse, I expect that from him.

TM2 Fuzor is the most accurate thing you can categorize him as. The fact that his spark is a fused version of Tigatron's and Airrazor's is simply extra. It's like TM2 Dinobot being a clone, it doesn't give him a sub group of any sort.

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Post by Savannahtron » Sat Dec 15, 2001 2:54 am

Well what do you call a bot with only Half a Spark i.e. Dinobot TM?

As for Megs, I thought he took Megatron's Spark, never returning it. I know that Optimus returned it, but I can't remember if Megs did or not.



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Post by Pun-3X » Sat Dec 15, 2001 8:00 am

A Bot with half a spark is a bot with half a spark. A bot with two fused sparks is a bot with two fused sparks. You don't call them anything else.

Common sense and a cut scene from the last ep state that G1 Megs was returned, or G1 never took place.

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Post by LordSixshot » Sat Dec 15, 2001 10:29 pm

Originally posted by Pun-3X:
Common sense and a cut scene from the last ep state that G1 Megs was returned, or G1 never took place.
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I still say Tigerhawk is a gestalt. The definition of the word gestalt is 'A physical, biological, psychological, or symbolic configuration or pattern of elements so unified as a whole that its properties cannot be derived from a simple summation of its parts'. It's Saturday night and I am looking up words in a dictionary - please help me. But it doesn't really matter that Tigerhawk can't un-combine, he's still a gestalt Image. I think?

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Post by Savannahtron » Sun Dec 16, 2001 12:25 am

My thoughts about it are they combined Air Razor and Tigatron by mistake, not making them a true "Fuzor" but a Frankenstein if you will.

At any rate, I liked Tigerhawk, but thought they terminated him too quickly.



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Post by MeGrimlock » Sun Dec 23, 2001 7:21 pm

And how do you define Rodimus Prime? He carried the spark of Optimus Prime, but when he returned the spark to Optimus Prime, he reverted to Hot Rod.
Optimus Optimal did not reverte to Optimus Primal when he did the same.
(does this question belong this forum?)

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Post by ThePeacemkr2 » Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:21 pm

I thik Tigahawk was not 2 different sparks still seperate, but the aliens combined the sparks of tigatron and airrazor (I think i got names right), and that the sparks became fused into 1 spark, so its really just one spark that is twice as powerfull as normal sparks, with the combined personalities of both of them.

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