R2 DVD: UK version ? s**t ?

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R2 DVD: UK version ? s**t ?

Post by Xilef_Darklight » Fri Dec 07, 2001 8:40 pm

I was just wondering,... people are complaining a lot about the Maverick TF:TM R2/PAL DVD ... But amongst the complaints, there is no mention of if it's the US version of the movie "uncut" or is it the UK edited version with scrolling text ? ... The one with the Victor Caroli narration at the end ? I have no doubts the DVD is s**t (I'm about to find out myself as I've ordered it from Amazon.co.uk), but consider this. If it is the UK version, then it's worth owning for collectors like me since that version never made it to DVD yet... Anyway... blablabla... is it the scrolling text version ? And if so, how can Maverick have gotten the AC-3 5.1 audio from Rhino since RHINO have the infamous "s**t" swearing on the disc ? I don't get it...

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Post by angloconvoy » Fri Dec 07, 2001 10:16 pm

It is the scrolling text version but does have the swearing in.

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Post by Denyer » Fri Dec 07, 2001 11:18 pm

Since that's the only difference in the audio/video tracks, and all they did was silence out Spike's line, getting it to fit would have been no problem.

Personally, from what I've seen, I think they overdid the "remastering" on the Rhino film matte... the lasers are rather stark compared to the rest of the image.

I think it's nice... it's unique; the UK film (with cool voiceovers and stuff), and the infamous line that few in the UK got to hear within the film...

Shame about the extras... but I'll cope...

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Post by angloconvoy » Sat Dec 08, 2001 2:00 am

Woulda preferred it without the swearing myself. It's not that swearing bothers me just that I'm so used to hearing it without swearing that that line seems somehow out of place.

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Post by Denyer » Sat Dec 08, 2001 2:04 am

Mmmmm... I kinda want to be shaken a little... maybe it'll make me pay more attention to a film I can probably still repeat verbatim line-for-line...

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Post by dai-atlas2000 » Sat Dec 08, 2001 3:06 am

I'll probably get my head bitten off for saying it - but I actually think that all this negativity over TF:TM DVD is a little...unnecessary and unjust.

After reading all of the negativity about TF:TM DVD I wasn't gonna bother buying it...I already have a VHS and .RM copy of the movie, plus I have all of the Headmasters eps...but on the way home I spotted it in the HMV in Belfast and I thought...what the hell!? and bought a copy for myself.

And you know what? I'm glad I did. This DVD proves what can be done and if the sales are good what would be to stop more such releases. As fans, it's our duty to support releases like this instead of simply critising every little thing that is wrong with something...If we continually are negative and are displeased with every effort that these companies make then we can kiss goodbye to future TF releases...

Plus I've seen DVDs with far fewer extras - you don't understand what "cheated" means until you've got a DVD whose only features are: "Interactive menu" and "Scene selection".

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Post by Denyer » Sat Dec 08, 2001 3:19 am

Originally posted by dai-atlas2000:
you don't understand what "cheated" means until you've got a DVD whose only features are: "Interactive menu" and "Scene selection".

BE grateful!
In which case I'll buy the VHS (cheaper) and get a DivX rip. This is still a grey area in European law.

What I resent is that Maverick don't have the first clue about what they were releasing. The "picture gallery" appears to be scanned from the movie poster artwork. There's some dubious N.R.G. songs (did this band ever do anything decent besides Instruments Of Destruction? Besides, the tracks have been available for free download from www.mp3.com for months.) They got the classification wrong. There were typos in the production draft. We got weary BBC footage already seen on TV! This does not suggest a competent company. Although hopefully they'll learn from the experience... seriously, the history of this project reads like a catalogue of errors and disappointments, although this is at least partly the fault of idiots (such as Blackstar) who seem to have copied the proposed feature list as actual definites.

I'm not bothered about the widescreen... although they've missed the opportunity to make an overseas killing in sales (unless they have another release planned if it is secured)...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we didn't get the storyboards, either; for that reason, if I wasn't getting the DVD for a fair discount, I would be getting the Rhino one, whatever my issues with its remastering.

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Post by Cliffjumper » Sat Dec 08, 2001 3:19 pm

Personally I think lots of people are over-reacting. Okay, so Maverick hinted at extras and didn't deliver. But when you look at all the decent, proper films, not hour and a half toy commercials, that have been boned on DVD release here, either getting no extras or not even a release [we're talking films of the calibre of Fitzcarraldo and Ran here] I don't see what the problem is...

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Post by Starscreamsghost » Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:59 pm

Originally posted by Cliffjumper:
But when you look at all the decent, proper films, not hour and a half toy commercials, that have been boned on DVD release here, either getting no extras or not even a release
Like "Back to the Future III"!!!

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Post by Auntie Slag » Mon Dec 10, 2001 2:31 pm

Maverick are entering a world of pain.

Honestly now, how long are we going to have to put up with this? I don't agree with the fact that if other DVD manufacturers are stingy and skimp on extra's for DVD and hardly add a d@mn THING, that its perfectly acceptable for Maverick to do so too!

No way! I live on a farm populated by sheep, consumers don't have to act like sheep too. As far as I can see, that's what Maverick seem's to think we are.

Maverick Boss: "Yeah, everyone else is producing rubbish devoid of any thought onto DVD format, so why don't we do it too"? who cares, its only an old toy line, and these guys that buy it don't care, however we release it, they'll be spooning it down and asking for more, we can't possibly lose! Now pass me my Ivory backscratcher".

Dai, Cliffjumper and Denyer, I'm glad that you're happy with your purchases, that's great and I'm not having a go at anyone here other than DVD producers.

But I refuse to accept this cr@p from companies who so obviously are doing next to nothing, when to produce something of true worth really wouldn't have been at all hard in the first place.

I bet that anyone of us here could have put far better stuff on that DVD than what's on there right now, and it wouldn't have been hard, lets face it.

What's wrong with a little bit of thought? I suppose it costs money yes? and maybe they've seen that the Transformers franchise has been screwed for such a long time now, that what they're doing can't possibly be perceived as anything worse. Why add thought, originality or inventiveness to a fan base that's been devoid of it for so long and probably wouldn't appreciate it anyway?

So go ahead Maverick, and perpetuate the image of Tansformers being braindead pap with nothing to redeem it, and let those outside the Transformers realm continue to look down upon us, its fans as a bunch of freaks who refuse to grow up, with limited intellectual abilities rivalling Neolithic man! I commend your mighty efforts Maverick, when I get big, I want to come and work with you!

For those who've bought and are happy, good for them. I'm excercising my right in NOT buying because of what I believe.

That's my choice. I can't wait to see the ineffectual treatment that the G1 episodes will get when they're transferred to DVD.

Come on, how hard would it have been for say, someone with a spare five minutes over at Maverick to put a question to one of the mods or administrators here asking for feedback as to what would have been cool extra's for the TF:TM movie DVD? Yeah, actually doo-able cool extra's. There could have been a brief mini-forum with suggestions from people who are genuine fans who really care. Can you imagine how cool it would have been then?

I'm not buying anyone's cr@p again! Call me a high-maintenance biyatch if you want, but the way I see it, its bad enough that we frequently have to accept half measures in other aspects of our lives. When it comes to something I genuinely care about, am passionate about, like THIS, then I want care exercised thank you very much.

Maverick know the fans of this movie are people that CARE about it. They know that, and they give us THIS!?!

Spare me this mockery of DVD-ness!

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Post by Powerglide » Thu Dec 13, 2001 9:36 pm

'Clap' 'Clap' 'Clap' Agreed!

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Post by Auntie Slag » Fri Dec 14, 2001 9:39 pm

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Post by RID Scourge » Fri Dec 14, 2001 10:42 pm

Um . . . I usually don't buy DVDs for extras. I usually don't look at them anyway.

I liked the remastering job that Rhino did. I enjoyed the more vibrant colors.

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