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Ultra Magnus in TF:TM

Post by dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron » Sat Dec 08, 2001 5:14 am

I've watched TF:TM many times and I just noticed that Ultra Magnus was nowhere to be seen in the last battle against Unicron. Here's an important character (at least in the movie) who just disappeared after they left the planet of junk. Same kind of thing happened with Blaster after the autobots left earth. Weird man.

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Post by Redstreak » Sat Dec 08, 2001 5:24 am

Magnus was on the Junkion ship with Perceptor, you can see them briefly a couple of times when they go flash inside.

As for Blaster, well, can't help ya there. Maybe it was him that was supposed to be there when the Deceps started attacking instead of Snarl...

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Post by Blaster_86 » Sat Dec 08, 2001 5:31 am

Blaster stayed behind at autobot city with a couple other guys and re-built, just my theory though.

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Post by dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron » Sat Dec 08, 2001 5:33 am

Ummm... I just looked at the scene on my DVD and I saw Perceptor in the Junkion ship, but I never saw Magnus. Unless that was his arm when Unicron was shooting his breath at the ship. That's the only indication that he was on the Junkion ship.

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Post by ThunderCracker84 » Sat Dec 08, 2001 5:38 am

we do get to see him at the end when they are all chanting 'Til all are one. Blaster, bah who cares. I simply dont like the guy, and dont think he shoulda been around at all

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Post by Blaster_86 » Sat Dec 08, 2001 5:57 am

Originally posted by ThunderCracker84:
Blaster, bah who cares. I simply dont like the guy, and dont think he shoulda been around at all

Tell me he didn't say that, someone tell me he didn't just say that.


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Post by Denyer » Sat Dec 08, 2001 6:01 am

Before this goes any further, could people cease this infernal confusing of posters and TF characters? Please?

edit: Put simply, the Movie is a nightmare of mis-animation of epic proportions... just watch it, enjoy it, compare it to Star Wars, appreciate the cheesy soundtrack, and move on...

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Post by Denyer » Sat Dec 08, 2001 6:19 am

Fun stuff about the Movie:

http://www.geocities.com/zobovor/snarl_tftm.html

http://www.geocities.com/zobovor/tftm_comparison.html

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Post by Cliffjumper » Sat Dec 08, 2001 3:06 pm

I am so fed up of every single topic, interesting or otherwise, descending into childish bitching. You know who you are, cut it the f*ck out.

Ultra Magnus' arm is relatively clearly glimpsed on the Junkion ship:-

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Post by Blaster_86 » Sat Dec 08, 2001 5:53 pm

You and me both cliffy and thats odd since I'm usually part of them, but I just hate it.

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Post by dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron » Sat Dec 08, 2001 7:25 pm

Man, I didn't think that this post would get so much response, most of all ticking some of you off. Hehe, it's all good in 'da hood!

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Post by Prowl? » Sat Dec 08, 2001 7:47 pm

Ultra Magnus was not seen in Unicron with Springer, Kup, Arcee, Hot Rod/Rodimus, Jazz, Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Jazz.

Ultra Magnus was seen in the ending 'Till all are one' speech

Logical explanation: He was aboard the Junkion shuttle with Perceptor before it was destroyed by Unicron.

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Post by Starscreamsghost » Sat Dec 08, 2001 7:48 pm

In the end, the blame for this oversight doesn't fall on the animators; rather, you can attribute Magnus' disappearance to our dear friend and writer Ron Friedman, who took the liberty of randomly phasing quasi-important (or very important, in the case of U.M.) characters outta the script whenever he felt like it. Here's the question no one seems to ask: where's Wheelie during all this confusion? What about Blurr? It really wouldn't have killed Friedman to just hurl these guys into Unicron with Springer and the crew, but as the entire movie evidenced, Friedman was so damn determined on focusing on just a few people that the rest of the crowd just sorta...disappeared...

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Post by OmegaDenmad » Sat Dec 08, 2001 7:50 pm

Well, that just doesn't explain how did Magnus (and all the Junkions and Perceptor for that matter) survived Unicron obliterating their ship with one hand... he crushed it way beyond recognition. Any explanation for that? (sans "it's a movie thing" Image )

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Post by Blaster_86 » Sat Dec 08, 2001 8:27 pm

In the orginal script the junkions turn the two halfs of the ships into new ones.

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Post by dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron » Sat Dec 08, 2001 10:03 pm

he crushed it way beyond recognition. Any explanation for that?
Man I agree with that, they should have been annihlated, but those damn writers and animators always seemed to screw things up.

where's Wheelie during all this confusion? What about Blurr? It really wouldn't have killed Friedman to just hurl these guys into Unicron
I never thought about those two Starscreamsghost. Here again is where those writers and animators screw up again, although in Wheelie's case it don't bother me that they left him out in the final battle. Hell I'd like to get my hands on the idiot who created him! =)

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Post by ThunderCracker84 » Sat Dec 08, 2001 10:21 pm

Originally posted by dEcEpTiCoN MEGAtron:
Hell I'd like to get my hands on the idiot who created him(Whellie)! =)

Wouldn't we all?


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Post by Blaster_86 » Sat Dec 08, 2001 10:47 pm

Wheelie- A failed attempt to replace Bumblebee in the third season.

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Post by Cliffjumper » Sun Dec 09, 2001 12:44 pm

Seeing as there are people out there who can come up with all sorts of complex theories to cover up the cock-ups in the cartoon, I find it relatively believable that the Junkions were able to repair the shps, as in the original script... I believe Wheelie and BVlurr where intended to be on the Junkion ship, but just weren't shown in the finished version.

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Post by BlueBlaster » Sun Dec 09, 2001 7:04 pm

He was on the Junkion ship!
That's my theory anyway.

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