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why rodimus prime did a good job in season 3

Post by cosmotron » Sun Dec 09, 2001 12:07 am

many argue that the only reason rodimus prime did a fair job in season 3, was b/c galvatron was a loony toon, so the decepticons were no longer a force to be reckoned with.
well i was thinking about this. well in some ways rodimus prime in season 3, had more responsibility then optimus prime in season 1,2
optimus prime was in charge of 40 some autobots on earth.
rodimus prime (totally new to the whole leadership thing), had to not only lead the entire autobot army, but to manage things from 2 fronts, earth and cybertron.
it was'nt easy, revitalizing cybertron after unicron. rebuilding it, making it strong, and at the same time rebuilding autobot city on earth.
the decepticons were also more mobile, and could strike anywhere in the galaxy.
plus on top of leading the autobots on cybertron, protecting earth,he had the responsibility of managing galactic peace conferences.
thta's heck of a lot of responsibility for some guy who became leader by opening up the matrix.
and another thing, to all those who say the autobots had little to fear from the decepticons, well that;s debateable.
but irrespective, the autobots also had to deal with the menace of the quintessons.
and for a bunch of squiggly tentacles they were super scientists.
when they were'nt wasting time learning about human dreams, they were rebuilding the greatest autobot to trick him into destroying the autobot fleet, or they were tricking the decepticons to attack cybertron, they were unearthing some giant energy sucking leech to drain cybertron, they were going back in time to stop the autobot revolt or to cause conflicts across the galaxy.
i mean this is a preety dangerous galaxy. and we hv an inexperienced leader hving so much responsibility.
think about it., things were preety dangerous.
no wonder he whined so much.



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Post by Blaster_86 » Sun Dec 09, 2001 12:13 am

Thats true rodimus was a good leader if you look at it that way, oh and nice sig.

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Post by sprites touch » Sun Dec 09, 2001 1:34 am

It's not that he wasn't a good leader, he just was much better whiner.
When Prime assumed leadership in Wardawn he didn't whine(at least we don't SEE him whine) and he was in a grim position himself.
Rodimus didn't have anyproblem with his leadership, he had problems mesuring up to Optimus, in his own eyes.
No one else but Rodimus tryed to compare him to OP, but he couldn't let go. that's the problem as I see it.

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Post by cosmotron » Sun Dec 09, 2001 2:43 am

Originally posted by sprites touch:
It's not that he wasn't a good leader, he just was much better whiner.
When Prime assumed leadership in Wardawn he didn't whine(at least we don't SEE him whine) and he was in a grim position himself.
Rodimus didn't have anyproblem with his leadership, he had problems mesuring up to Optimus, in his own eyes.
No one else but Rodimus tryed to compare him to OP, but he couldn't let go. that's the problem as I see it.

my point is that things were even harder for the autobots in season 3, then it was in 1 or 2
so rodimus prime, did not hv it easy


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Post by Redstreak » Sun Dec 09, 2001 5:58 am

I wonder what some of the Roddy naysayers around here would say in response to this topic.
In any case, I agree with the points you have made here, Cosmotron. He had a helluva lot of things to deal with that Optimus didn't; the Autobots and Cybertron were developing into a galactic political power and economic center. He had to form alliances, make peace between bickering races, save the humans, he took in a Decepticon traitor, all while a power-mad Galvatron romped through the galaxy, insane but more dangerous than before.
I think given time, ol' Roddy woulda been a great leader, and would have balanced out with respect to his responsibilities. This is why he is the Autobot leader in my RPG, not Optimus.

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Post by Pun-3X » Sun Dec 09, 2001 7:48 am

It's sorta like the general that becomes the president (Optimus Prime) and the Politician who is used to settling disputes with diplomacy becoming President(Rodimus Prime)

Well, the comparisons need some major tweaking, but the idea is that Optimus Prime is a warrior leader. Rodimus, while he is in charge of the Autobots ends up having to put together alliances and trusts. Sure, there's the battle that breaks out, but it's mostly as stated above, a lot of diplomacy.

The thing is, we only have Seasons One and Two to compare Rodimus to in regards to his season three. We have very little information in regards to that history that ended Four Million years and goes back much much farther. (that's some odd-million in Season-years. Image ) Maybe there were moments where the Cybertronian wars were ended for a few Earth-length years, and Prime attempted to forge alliances, and had his share of diplomacy.

But we don't know. The comic depicts that this war went on and on. The cartoon gives that same basic idea, but it never does say that there are NOT peacetimes within those wartimes. Ah, but this becomes speculation.

So what's this leave us? The comparisons used become insufficient, as the proper information is insufficient. Rodimus Prime, no doubt, had the potential to become a great leader, and in his time did a terrific job. His frustrations with the role added to his character, it made him different. He stood out, and you either liked him or you didn't. But he certainly wasn't generic.

However, the proper title for this topic is "Why I THINK Rodimus Prime did a good job in season 3," As the issue can be argued both ways.

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Post by dai-atlas2000 » Sun Dec 09, 2001 12:15 pm

Personally I've always thought the reason that Rodimus Prime had it tougher was because he lacked confidence in himself.

On numerous occassions we hear Rodimus telling Magnus that he is worried he's making the wrong decisions. Prime always did what he thought was right and stuck by it even if it was wrong...

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Post by cosmotron » Sun Dec 09, 2001 5:52 pm

Originally posted by Pun-3X:
It's sorta like the general that becomes the president (Optimus Prime) and the Politician who is used to settling disputes with diplomacy becoming President(Rodimus Prime)

Well, the comparisons need some major tweaking, but the idea is that Optimus Prime is a warrior leader. Rodimus, while he is in charge of the Autobots ends up having to put together alliances and trusts. Sure, there's the battle that breaks out, but it's mostly as stated above, a lot of diplomacy.

The thing is, we only have Seasons One and Two to compare Rodimus to in regards to his season three. We have very little information in regards to that history that ended Four Million years and goes back much much farther. (that's some odd-million in Season-years. Image ) Maybe there were moments where the Cybertronian wars were ended for a few Earth-length years, and Prime attempted to forge alliances, and had his share of diplomacy.

But we don't know. The comic depicts that this war went on and on. The cartoon gives that same basic idea, but it never does say that there are NOT peacetimes within those wartimes. Ah, but this becomes speculation.

So what's this leave us? The comparisons used become insufficient, as the proper information is insufficient. Rodimus Prime, no doubt, had the potential to become a great leader, and in his time did a terrific job. His frustrations with the role added to his character, it made him different. He stood out, and you either liked him or you didn't. But he certainly wasn't generic.

However, the proper title for this topic is "Why I THINK Rodimus Prime did a good job in season 3," As the issue can be argued both ways.
point taken, so instead lets assume the topic is about how things were even more dangerous in season 3, compared to 1,2.
for a lot of rodimus prime bashers, uise to primary argument stating that rodimus prime had it easy, since decepticons were powrerless.
i'm just debating that



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Post by BlueBlaster » Sun Dec 09, 2001 8:02 pm

Rodimus showed more of a human leader than Optimus did.Optimus was too perfect to be a leader.Think if someday as a rookie, you have been chosen to be a leader of an army that defends the good side of the nature and you don't have so much experience to be a leader.
There would be a much of responsibility to handle with and some things would be new to you.It is no wonder why Rodimus whined so much,when he didn't have so much confidence in himself,because he compared himself to the "perfect leader".The Matrix chose him,not Hot Rod.Burden Hardest to Bear and the Ultimate Weapon explains a lot of Rodimus personality and those are my favorite episodes from season 3.

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Post by dai-atlas2000 » Sun Dec 09, 2001 9:52 pm

yes- but don't forget that by the time of the first series - Prime had 9 million years experience being a leader...he probably started out unsure - but over such a long period of time developed into the hero we know and love...

Rodimus was leader for how long? A few years at most

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Post by Blaster_86 » Sun Dec 09, 2001 9:58 pm

Given time Rodimus would have ben as good as Prime.

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Post by Redstreak » Sun Dec 09, 2001 11:27 pm

Originally posted by Blaster_86:
Given time Rodimus would have ben as good as Prime.

I think that says it all.

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Post by Blaster_86 » Mon Dec 10, 2001 12:58 am

Now that I think about it why is Optimus Called Prime and not Rodimus they are both Primes

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Post by Auntie Slag » Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:39 am

I agree whole heartedly with Mr. Sprite's Touch on this one.

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Post by nmathew » Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:44 am

Too much pro Rodimus goo-ness here for me.

I don't care for the character.
Is he more human? Yes
Does that make it possible to relate to him as a character, whereas Optimus is a character to be admired, not related to, yes.

However, as a kid, I didn't want an unsure, confused wimp filling the shoes of my cartoon hero.

Here's a list of a few things that should be mentioned.
Rodimus had far more resources to draw upon then Optimus did in seasons 1 and 2.
Rodiums had the Matrix of LEADERSHIP. Late in season 3, Optimus says he doesn't have a plan, because he doesn't have the Matrix. He gets it back, and uses its wisdom. Rodimus knew how to tap into that wisdom (episode where he shorts himself out and then tried giving it to Springer).

Lastly, if Rodimus had been given the Matrix under the situation Optimus had been, Megatron would be wearing it as a necklace right now.

Now, I'm prepared for the flame.

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Post by Blaster_86 » Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:23 pm

He would have been a good leader given time.

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Post by Auntie Slag » Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:16 pm

Maybe,

But I'm really not prepared to hang around for another four million years to see if he does shape up.

Cue Reservoir Dog's style send-up;

Springer: "Rodimus, if you're gonna whine like a bitch then I'm gonna have to slap you like a bitch".

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Post by Baroness » Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:46 pm

Originally posted by Blaster_86:
Given time Rodimus would have ben as good as Prime.

No doubt about it.

Rodimus didn't whined, he was stress out by being responsible of everybody and everything.

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Post by Ryan » Tue Dec 18, 2001 6:26 am

I think the real question here is; was Rodimus + Ultra Magnus as good as Optimus Prime?

IMO Rodimus would have basted and stuffed his own chicken self in days without Magnus' political and military aptitude.

Magnus was still a wimp in the cartoon compared to the comic, though.

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