Prime's Mouth

Post by **inflatable dalek** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:27 pm

It occured to me the other day when I realised all the tie in comics to the Movie have only shown Prime with faceplate that there hasn't been very much reaction to what at one point looked as if it was going to be the biggest fan boy bait in the film. So is everyone down with Movie Prime's Mouth or are we all repressing it?

Myself, I think they look a tad stupid due to being to shrunk into the face. It makes it look as if Prime hasn't put his false teeth in.

another tf fan · Post by **another tf fan** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:38 am

The mouth didn't bother me as much as I thought it would before i saw the movie.

TF:2007 WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brimstone · Post by **Brimstone** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:38 pm

It didn't bother me.

The only Autobot mouth that bothered me was Bumblebee's (since he's the only one that didn't really have one).

I was also pleasantly surprised by how articulate (is that the right word?) Megatron's mouth and face were. Frenzy and Barricade were fine as well. And I don't really have an opinion on Devastator's, Bonecrusher's, or Soundw-, uh, I mean, Blackout (since we never really got to see them speaking in robot mode).

The only other one I didn't like was Starscream...it was a little too insect-like for my taste. I was hoping for a little more humanoid looking for him.

Pun-3X · Post by **Pun-3X** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:42 pm

Eh, it bugged me but not much. It was mostly when he'd have the battlemask on, and I'd go for that. Then the mouth came back out and I'd be like "nonono, wait, put it back, put it back..."

But otherwise....eh. Battlemask preferred, sure, but it wasn't so bad.

Cliffjumper · Post by **Cliffjumper** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:47 pm

Originally posted by Pun-3X
Eh, it bugged me but not much. It was mostly when he'd have the battlemask on, and I'd go for that. Then the mouth came back out and I'd be like "nonono, wait, put it back, put it back..."

But otherwise....eh. Battlemask preferred, sure, but it wasn't so bad.

Pretty much my thoughts... I weirdly didn't really notice the thing until he switched back and fore.

And yeh, generally the faces (and the designs in general) worked a lot better in motion than as pictures.

Post by **Blackjack** » Fri May 30, 2008 12:19 am

Prime's mouth is bad. The battlemask is much better.

Others' faces are great, notably Jazz, Frenzy, Barricade, Devastatar/Brawl, Bonecrusher, Ironhide, Scorpy and Blackout.

Ratchet and Starcream's look too.. I don't know how to describe it. They do not look anything like human, while in all other renditions they should be. Nice faces and details though. I love Starscream.

Megatron and Bumblebee's are radical. Megatron looks like a BEAST! Bumblebee has a face with... a.... I can't describe it. First time I've ever seen something like it in TF.

TF2007 is great! (BTW I just noticed it is the same year in the original TF:TM. Unobservant me.

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nscrchick88 · Post by **nscrchick88** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:46 am

I think it was kinda cool that they gave him a mouth. I believe it adds character lol. Plus this movie is so freakin' cool hehe.

ronnskonn · Post by **ronnskonn** » Tue May 26, 2009 7:47 pm

Most of the faces were god-awful everyone nearly looked like bugs, the transformations were overkill with too many things and parts going on at one time. The story was good, but the design was very very very bad.

Auntie Slag · Post by **Auntie Slag** » Tue May 26, 2009 9:23 pm

I thoroughly enjoyed the character designs. The standouts for me being Bumblebee and Prime. I think others would have benefitted from some more close-ups to make out the superb intricacies and fine details. Jazz, for example really could have benefitted from some close up banter with Sam or the parents in order to get a clean shot of his head and the nice silver paintwork. In much the same way we got some good close up's of Ironhide.

I was in Forbidden Planet the other day and caught sight of the ROTF: Sideswipe toy. He looks pretty cool, rather a dead ringer for Jazz though. I don't see why they couldn't have made him cherry red to contrast with Bumblebee as well as in keeping with his G1 colour.

I'm wondering if they've done this to suggest a kinship with Jazz and therefore a bit of bad feeling toward Prime and the others for letting Jazz go up against Megatron alone?

As lame as that thought might be, if Sideswipe is just silver for the sake of being silver then I'm pretty narked. Most of the audience will just be saying "Eh? didn't that little one die in the first film?"

I've been staying away from all ROTF info because I want to go into the film clean like I did with TF:2007. It's just because I saw Sideswipe's toy and couldn't look away in time.

And Prime's mouth was fine. It seemed a little low on his face, but otherwise fine. I also like the little er.. what I presume to be Cybertronian symbols dotted around their bodies? Prime has them on his forehead near his ear-horn things I think. Do the symbols mean anything, or are they not even explained in Bay-books of the film and 'magic of TF SFX' articles?

Springer007 · Post by **Springer007** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:14 am

ronnskonn wrote:Most of the faces were god-awful everyone nearly looked like bugs, the transformations were overkill with too many things and parts going on at one time. The story was good, but the design was very very very bad.

i am glad they make it intricate in the transformation, but the main problem for me is such intricacies can cause me to have eye strain and thus get a migraine. way too much happening at once. i think binaltech did a great job on realism, but simple at the same time. and these toys, the human alliance ones, in particular are great because they don't need to be super complex for them to work. just my view though. i like the movie either way, just wish it didn't hurt my eyes so much!

starlord · Post by **starlord** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:27 pm

It looks bad.Most of the robots look ugly.This is why the purists hated it . Even the humans, shia and MEgan are ugly. Megan is even ugly inside.She snubbed a fifteen fanboy when he gave her a rose.

borg72 · Post by **borg72** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:46 pm

starlord wrote:It looks bad.Most of the robots look ugly.This is why the purists hated it . Even the humans, shia and MEgan are ugly. Megan is even ugly inside.She snubbed a fifteen fanboy when he gave her a rose.

to be fair she was being escorted out of a scary-looking crowd by security.

and the fanboy was some way behind her.

and quite scary looking himself.

so not so much 'snubbed' as 'not even aware of' and/or 'rightly wary of'

i'm sure you'll recover. him, him i mean. i'm sure he'll recover...

[/mild prodding]

wyze2099 · Post by **wyze2099** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:54 am

Springer007 wrote:i am glad they make it intricate in the transformation, but the main problem for me is such intricacies can cause me to have eye strain and thus get a migraine. way too much happening at once. i think binaltech did a great job on realism, but simple at the same time. and these toys, the human alliance ones, in particular are great because they don't need to be super complex for them to work. just my view though. i like the movie either way, just wish it didn't hurt my eyes so much!

Yeah, I think the Binaltech look would have worked well in live action.

I don't particularly mind the fact that the hundreds of moving parts in the movie characters were moving at once to show a complex transformation. Kind of the way a Deluxe-class TF toy is generally more complex than a Legends-class toy, and so on for each successive size class -- a car-sized TF would quite rightly have an insane level of transformation.

The difficulty I had with the movie's depiction of it was that there were so many moving parts that it's hard to keep track of what I'm looking at. The scenes of Optimus Prime transforming typically have the camera panning around him in dramatic fashion, so it's hard to tell what truck part becomes what body part. The way the camera would zoom in made it hard to tell what part of the overall character I'm seeing at any given time. It's fascinating and dramatic, and I'm sure it hides a multitude of cheats in the transformation process, but still ... it would've been nice to have a little more to relate to.

Springer007 · Post by **Springer007** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:22 pm

Like silly Quagmire, Bay is equally silly, skip the simplicities, and sometimes complexities, of Binaltech, for something so complex and Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch-like dramatics that the entire film depends on those. People bemoan some of the unicycle bots and wheels for feet, etc. but I have kinda grown fond of them, as a whole, the designs look simplistic and would have went pretty well for the G! cartoon and movie. Even in Animated you hear Sentinel Prime griping on about how faster it is basically transform into a vehicle than to run, and with Sideswipe with this movie, and the motorcycle triplets, they do it pretty well. What probably was the precursor to them was Transmetals Megatron with his skates for feet alt transformation in either robot or alt mode. I guess I have to give him some praise, but it would have been nice to see something rather simple, like Binaltech's designs where the only thing needed in a movie is some gizmos and wires showing when they turn into robot from the cars and to fill in the blank spaces in between parts.

p.s. sorry for the silly comparisons: like Quagmire and Monty Python, but for some reason Bay's personality seems to be a combination of the two. Cheers