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There hasn´t been at least for month a topic about Dark Awakening, so...

I had forgotten how good it actually is. Even without the element of surprise, it´s powerful episode. Characters are... characters. Galvatron´s retreat is for once reasonable/acceptable, Rodimus´ character is developed (and later forgotten ), quintessons feel like a real threat etc.

What struck me this time, was that there´s a feel of war there; casualties (cannonfodder plus perhaps Powerglide), anger, thirst for revenge. If you didn´t know this was a children´s cartoon you wouldn´t actually know the outcome

If the upcoming(?) Transformers: Armada just would be something like this episode. It´s been rumoured it could be darker than earlier series. I´m keeping my fingers crossed.

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Osku

[This message has been edited by Osku (edited 12-03-2001).]

Originally posted by Osku:
It´s been rumoured it could be darker than earlier series.

Beast Machines is dark. Really dark. Don't think you can easily beat that..

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Big deal! Probably some microheadtargetmaster with a pretender shell!

Yeah,

I'll go along with that. Beast Wars was as dark as something very dark indeed coming at you with an axe in a dark alley.

Well, maybe not THAT dark, but it was just as well, as I needed to change my trousers anyway.

Regards,
Windcharger

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If I wasn't a schmuck, I'd be:

Hey, G1 was dark!

What about Swerve takin' it on the chin! That was downright gruesome!

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"A stiff breeze! S-Ghost, take the Matrix! I quit!"

"It's not so much that I want to kill her. It's just that
I want her...not to be alive...anymore." --Stewie

G2 was dark... very very dark...

BM was let down by the fact that some of the animation was straight out of Tom and Jerry...

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"When I find out who stole my comfort blanket..."

"We came, we saw, we kicked its ass!!"

"Tell me how it feels to be the one who turns the knife inside of me."

Dark Awakening was one of the few nicley animated Eps in season three.

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Optimus Prime do you read me the decepticons are blitzing autobot city were really taking a pounding don't know how much longer we can hold out-Blaster TFTM


Watch the birdy Laserbeak

Dark Awakening's animation isn't actually much better than most of the third series, but that's not the point. It's the best Transformers episode. Ever. Period. the only bad thing about Antoni Zalewki's two episodes are that they make the rest seem even worse... Also while I agree the Beast series were dark, they were nowhere near as downright subversive as Dark Awakening - we're talking the guy who was at the time kids' #1 hero coming back from the grave as a zombie and trying to kill everyone. That's pretty mad for a kids' TV show.

And didn't Swerve take it on the skull, rather than chin?

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*Crunch* thats what happened to swerve

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Optimus Prime do you read me the decepticons are blitzing autobot city were really taking a pounding don't know how much longer we can hold out-Blaster TFTM


Watch the birdy Laserbeak

Originally posted by Cliffjumper:
It's the best Transformers episode. Ever. Period.

In YOUR humble opinion...

It can't rival "The Ultimate Doom", but then that's mine...

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"A stiff breeze! S-Ghost, take the Matrix! I quit!"

"It's not so much that I want to kill her. It's just that
I want her...not to be alive...anymore." --Stewie

Originally posted by Starscreamsghost:
In [Cliffjumper's] humble opinion...

I'm seeing a flaw in your deductive reasoning here, Ghosty...

Originally posted by Stuart Denyer:
I'm seeing a flaw in your deductive reasoning here, Ghosty...

I'm not! You've just given in to the pervasive thinking of "I'll tattoo whatever Cliffy says into my back, including Da Tovarisch"! Weakling!

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"A stiff breeze! S-Ghost, take the Matrix! I quit!"

"It's not so much that I want to kill her. It's just that
I want her...not to be alive...anymore." --Stewie

...moron oxymoron oxy... [/shrapnel]

Just as I thougth, topic this interesting will surely stay on topic

What´s the other Zalewki's episode?

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Osku

His other ep was "Auto-Berserk," featuring the Nega-Vator and Red Alert going crazy.

And yes, Dark Awakening was the best G1 episode ever produced.

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[This message has been edited by Commander Shockwaeve (edited 12-04-2001).]

All season three has a darker side to it. You have mad galvy, quints(who give us the background of the TFs as household apliances rather than a free race), the Cons fighting for their survival(no more megs schemes).
Dark awakaning is defenetly the darkest episode, aside from the movie I think it's the only one with confirmd deaths on the good guys side.

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insert something wise and benevolent - here.

Sadly season 3's darker aspects were outweighed by the fact that most of the cast were only there for cheap laughs...

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"Another day out with the boys - just me, Chaos and Mayhem - I love this job!"
"I'm Godzilla, you're Tokyo!"
"You haven't been where I have at all, so who are you to judge?"
"What am I, an idiot magnet?"
"Just remember kid, I'm not teachin' you this so you can go out an' kill people - I'm teaching you this to keep ya alive."
Walk a mile in my shoes, then criticise the way I am.

You know, Magnus doesn't like it when you talk about him like that.

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So I've got an ego. Big whup, wanna fight about it?

Starscreamsghost: Better Than You Since 1981.

Magnsu and Springer were the only post-Movie 'Bots who eren't pricks, till the Technos turned up.

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Please visit my site, The Transformers Database and visit the totally alive, kicking and far-out Message Board!
"Another day out with the boys - just me, Chaos and Mayhem - I love this job!"
"I'm Godzilla, you're Tokyo!"
"You haven't been where I have at all, so who are you to judge?"
"What am I, an idiot magnet?"
"Just remember kid, I'm not teachin' you this so you can go out an' kill people - I'm teaching you this to keep ya alive."
Walk a mile in my shoes, then criticise the way I am.

But what about Tailgate? And Swerve? And Hubcap? And CLIFFY?!?

Man, if we're looking to the MINIBOTS for the likeable guys, we're in big trouble...

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So I've got an ego. Big whup, wanna fight about it?

Starscreamsghost: Better Than You Since 1981.

What´s wrong with Skylynx? I rephrase; Skylynx wasn´t all bad. I found his alt modes and attitude amusing.

After I´d been waching those season two episodes for months I was happy when Brendan (TFarchive) finally got to season three. There were so many bad episodes in season two where they made many of my old favourites complete morons, that I didn´t care when they started simplifying characters I was less familiar with. I quess that´s the reason I can´t share your hate towards these post movie bots.

One more reason to watch TV as a kid and start reading only when older

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Osku