Explosions in London

optimusskids · Post by **optimusskids** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:03 pm

The Germans started the Beidebecker raids primarily designed to destroy british places of cultural and historical importance.

Churchill was a pragmatist there's a distinct possibility he knew about pearl harbour beforehand through codebreaking but knew Britain couldnt win.

He also wanted to join forces with the germans and roll the russians back to their own borders

We will probably never know the full truth as most history is written by the winners is based on the few sources that survived through the vagaries of fate , is constantly rewritten re interpreted by historians in a game of academic one upmanship.

We've done plenty of unethical things in the past we fought a war in order to gain control of the opium trade in China but thats in the past.
If it wasnt for our history we wouldnt be the rich multicultural society we are today

Galvatron91 · Post by **Galvatron91** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:03 pm

Well, considering WWII was one of the few wars where we actually did have one more right side than the other I think I'll take the allied side over the nazi side. The blitz campaigns were constantly targetted at civilians, the nazis frequently went after civilians, stop defending Hitler or I'll boot your ass off the site, period.

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:04 pm

So, why is it that you're just sticking up for the Nazis over the Blitz?

Why not back up the IRA and claim they were just trying to get the Brits out of Northern Ireland?

Or say that the Daleks' unique brand of racial cleansing is actually the right way forward?

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:05 pm

Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
The blitz was not terrorism! It was retaliation! So I do not see how they can be lumped into the same category!

Yes but the bombings were retaliation for germany's invasion of Poland which started the war in europe in the first place.

Honestly stop reading the Nazi today magazines.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:06 pm

Originally posted by Galvatron91
Well, considering WWII was one of the few wars where we actually did have one more right side than the other I think I'll take the allied side over the nazi side. The blitz campaigns were constantly targetted at civilians, the nazis frequently went after civilians, stop defending Hitler or I'll boot your ass off the site, period.

You mean the side that benefited Joseph Stalin and crushed the British Empire?:eyebrow:

Post by **Sades** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:06 pm

If you're going to play that angle, UW, then play all of it. Both sides of it.

Galvatron91 · Post by **Galvatron91** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:08 pm

Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
You mean the side that benefited Joseph Stalin and crushed the British Empire?:eyebrow:

As opposed to the side that conquered most of Europe and established camps to purge those it deemed inferior? No one here defends Stalin, but the simple fact is that the Nazis sought to conquer and destroy other entire races, you stand here serving as their cheerleader. Seriously kid, what is wrong with you?

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:09 pm

Originally posted by Jetfire 2.1
Yes but the bombings were retaliation for germany's invasion of Poland which started the war in europe in the first place.

Honestly stop reading the Nazi today magazines.

Yes the British and the French declared war on Germany not the other way around. And please do not think Poland is an innocent victim. They were mobilising troops to invade Germany in 1933! In the Danzig corridor Germans were regulary persecuted and terrorized.

optimusskids · Post by **optimusskids** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:10 pm

Sure the Wermacht were trembling at the thought of polish cavalry against there Panzers and Stukas

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:11 pm

Originally posted by Galvatron91
As opposed to the side that conquered most of Europe and established camps to purge those it deemed inferior? No one here defends Stalin, but the simple fact is that the Nazis sought to conquer and destroy other entire races, you stand here serving as their cheerleader. Seriously kid, what is wrong with you?

Im very skeptical of the holocaust. If you want to take that angle than you need to provide proof that Hitler knew what was going on! I will give you every Transformer I own if you can provide such a document!

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:11 pm

Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
Yes the British and the French declared war on Germany not the other way around.

Yeah, but I'm getting something... something to do with the occupation of other nations, despite being asked not to... what on Earth could that be?

Damn, if only I'd studied this for more than seven years...

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:14 pm

Originally posted by optimusskids
Sure the Wermacht were trembling at the thought of polish cavalry against there Panzers and Stukas

In 1933?

optimusskids · Post by **optimusskids** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:14 pm

Doesn't really matter if he knew one way or the other it happened .

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Galvatron91 · Post by **Galvatron91** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:17 pm

Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
Im very skeptical of the holocaust. If you want to take that angle than you need to provide proof that Hitler knew what was going on! I will give you every Transformer I own if you can provide such a document!

Are you questioning the fact that the Holocaust happened? I could provide you with primary proof in the form of photographs taken by my Great Grandfather who liberated said concentration camps, took the photos of the bodies, then smuggled the film back home. As for Hitler...why do you insist on defending the little a self loathing sociopath, who was so miserable that he felt the need to share his misery?

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:20 pm

Might some of the blame by on the allied saturation bombings of the pharmacuetical plants, and the transportation routes that collapsed the food supply? Thus allowing diseases like Typhus to run rampant and unchecked.

optimusskids · Post by **optimusskids** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:22 pm

opposed to the mass sinking of allied shipping carrying food and medicine . More Merchant sailors gave there lives for less pay than any military branch of the uk armed forces

Galvatron91 · Post by **Galvatron91** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:25 pm

Wow...you really are a scary, scary individual Mein Führer...next you are going to tell me that Hitler actually worked in the soup kitchens of the concentration camps to feed all the starving jews, who were put there only as a work program to help them because they were devastated by unemployment and poverty...

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:26 pm

Originally posted by Galvatron91
Are you questioning the fact that the Holocaust happened? I could provide you with primary proof in the form of photographs taken by my Great Grandfather who liberated said concentration camps, took the photos of the bodies, then smuggled the film back home. As for Hitler...why do you insist on defending the little a self loathing sociopath, who was so miserable that he felt the need to share his misery?

I support historical revisionism. Yes there were bodies of people starved. But they did not die from gas chambers. They starved because all of Germany was starving. As a result of the Allied bombings. The US Army medical officers examined the bodies and determined the cause of death as from typhus. Those pictures are the very symptoms of typhus!

As for Hitler I admire him because he stood up for the German people when no one else gave a **** unless it benefited their own pocketbooks. Even Churchill regarded him as a national hero for Germany. Plus I also support nationalism. Not just for whites but every nationality and group.

Zisteau · Post by **Zisteau** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:27 pm

Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
unconfirmed reliable sources

Thats the funniest **** I've read in a long time.

Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:28 pm

Originally posted by Galvatron91
next you are going to tell me that Hitler actually worked in the soup kitchens of the concentration camps to feed all the starving jews, who were put there only as a work program to help them because they were devastated by unemployment and poverty...

Dude, don't be snarky. We all know that was Goering.