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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:27 pm
by slartibartfast
Denyer wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:01 pm
It's also an argument in favour of intrusive surveillance and far-reaching interventionist powers.
Yeh - I get suspicious when there's talk of voting through emergency laws in the national interest. Just imagining the kind of dystopian situations where government has home confinement powers or surveillance measures to ensure citizens are obeying public safety directives... although TBH it all seems genuine so far, I suppose it'd be a PR nightmare if it turned out they were taking advantage of the situation.
Denyer wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:01 pm
Governments are going to be under massive pressure to protect public services, put in place liveable benefits, and conceivably nationalise some things.
Must admit it was pretty amazing to hear Macron say "la santé n'a pas de prix" (can't put a price on health) during his televised speech - seems like it wasn't more than a month beforehand that hospital staff were on strike over budget cuts and wages.

It would appear though that nothing short of major social reform would have any meaningful effect since so many people are falling through the cracks of these emergency measures. The news is being very quiet about what home confinement means for the homeless, for example.

To be honest though, the situation reminds of one of my all-time favourite comic strips called "l'an 01" from the 1970s - where the premise was to stop everything and re-consider what was really necessary - although without the incurable deadly virus.
Warcry wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:37 pm
It probably should lead people to stop and think if the world being so interconnected is a desirable thing or not. Is it really good to rely so thoroughly on countries on the other side of the world for basic necessities like medicine and protective equipment?
Admittedly I have a very loose grasp on macro-economics, but whilst I feel that interconnectivity is a good thing in principle, I do agree that bringing the issue of de-localisation back into the spotlight is long overdue.

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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:45 am
by Clay
slartibartfast wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:27 pm
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[excited Clay noises]

Hey! I haven't seen you post in forever! I would like to tell you that I finally read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and now understand the allusion in your username. I always get tickled when reading a book and bumping into someone's post handle :).

Anyway, here in `Murica, Trump finally said it out loud:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 8209080331
The LameStream Media is the dominant force in trying to get me to keep our Country closed as long as possible in the hope that it will be detrimental to my election success. The real people want to get back to work ASAP. We will be stronger than ever before!
3:04 PM · Mar 25, 2020
This is all just blown out of proportion by the media to try and make him look bad and not get re-elected (because people not working is dragging the stock market down, which is his only metric of concern).

In my mind, I have loose elements of the Pied Piper of Hamlin and lemmings running off a cliff, trying to cook up a metaphor, but I'm too tired to think of a clever and laconic one at the moment. The ingredients are there, though.

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:40 pm
by slartibartfast
Clay wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:45 am
Hey! I haven't seen you post in forever!
Heya Clay! Been ages since I've been around but I still think of y'all, had to check in to see if everyone was okay. Hope life's been treating you kind these past years ^^

Still wanna do that transformers comic BTW... in fact my little home confinement project at the moment is to re-do the G1 TFU profiles - thanks to the resources on the archive I might add.
slartibartfast wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:27 pm
surveillance measures to ensure citizens are obeying public safety directives
Dang it, the European Council just passed legislation allowing mobile phone localisation to do just that. I spoke too soon :(

PS. so, uh... BS Johnson tested positive huh?

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:57 pm
by Warcry
slartibartfast wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:27 pm
Must admit it was pretty amazing to hear Macron say "la santé n'a pas de prix" (can't put a price on health) during his televised speech - seems like it wasn't more than a month beforehand that hospital staff were on strike over budget cuts and wages.
Not to sound like a conspiracy nut, but didn't Macron literally work as a banker for the Rothschilds before getting into politics? I really wouldn't expect someone who moved in that strata of society to even understand how hypocritical that comment would make him sound to the masses. Especially when they were elected not on merit or even popularity but because the other choice was named "Le Pen".
slartibartfast wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:27 pm
Admittedly I have a very loose grasp on macro-economics, but whilst I feel that interconnectivity is a good thing in principle, I do agree that bringing the issue of de-localisation back into the spotlight is long overdue.
I agree that interconnectivity is good, but I think it's important to make a distinction between luxuries and essential goods and services. It doesn't matter if we get our decorative pillows or picture frames or Transformers imported from Asia, but relying exclusively on other countries for necessities like medical supplies or vital industrial components is just asking for a disaster. Western hospitals wouldn't be facing face mask shortages if countries made make them locally, but since the big 3M factories are all in China...

Even before this virus started to spread, the Huawei 5G scandal was illustrating that all too well.
Clay wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:45 am
This is all just blown out of proportion by the media to try and make him look bad and not get re-elected (because people not working is dragging the stock market down, which is his only metric of concern).
I am so sorry for you guys, because it really seems like Trump is going to do his best to make sure that things get far worse in America than they needed to. I hope governments on the state level can undo most of the damage he's going to cause.
slartibartfast wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:40 pm
Dang it, the European Council just passed legislation allowing mobile phone localisation to do just that. I spoke too soon :(
We're heading in the same direction too. Trudeau is threatening to suspend basic human rights because a few idiots aren't practicing social distancing. The sad thing is that there are tons of panicked folks out there who would WELCOME a declaration of martial law and celebrate having their Charter Rights taken away "for their own good". And give no thought to how that would only make it easier for the government to justify the next time, and the next, and the next, for progressively smaller and smaller emergencies.

(The fact that his daddy declared martial law over a totally insignificant terrorist incident when he was PM does not exactly fill me with confidence...)

Re: Covid 19 / everybody PANDEMIC

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:32 am
by Tantrum
My state had 55 new cases Sunday morning, and another 114 new cases this (Monday) morning, bringing our total to just over 400. This afternoon, our Governor announced another 80-something cases, bringing the total to around 490. It's evening as I write this, so there's probably a few more. Given our population of 1.059 million, it looks like 1 out of every 2,000 Rhode Islanders has coronavirus.

Our Governor announced a plan to stop cars with NY licence plates as they entered our state, and check registered rental properties for cars with NY plates in the driveway, to ensure anyone coming from NY self-quarantines for 14 days. This sounds excessive. But, if someone in NY, which has a shelter-in-place order, thinks its a good idea to take an optional 150 mile trip to RI, which also has a shelter-in-place order, maybe someone does need to pull them aside and explain what shelter-in-place means.

The Governor of NY threatened to sue RI over this. Last I heard, our Governor responded by expanding the self-quarantine directive to anyone coming from out of state. I think people who live in Mass but work here can still come.

It doesn't seem too bad where I am, the part of Rhode Island that's actually an island. Most of the cases seem to be in Providence, which is our main population center. Two people where I work have tested positive. One's been teleworking, so he isn't spreading it at work. The other works several buildings away from me.

My biggest concern about work is the support staff who travel from building to building all day. Last Tues, we had a couple IT guys come to work on our network. Two people, working almost shoulder to shoulder, were there for 5 minutes before heading off to another building. Last Thurs, the disposal group sent two guys to pick up our old fax machine. Maybe some of the other jobs on their route took more than 1 person, but I wish they'd put more thought into what constitutes a multi person job.