[BW,BM] Does Prime Remember the time he merged with Primal?
Did Prime remember his time merged with Primal
Does antone think that Op. Prime remembers his short time in Beast Wars? When Primal was carrying his spark it seemed like they were acting as one. Also Prime appears to wake briefly when his spark was returned. I assumed he just thought it was a dream caused by the statis lock.
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Obviously he wasn't written that way, since G1 was aired some 15 years before Beast Wars.
But I would have to say no, otherwise he'd most certainly have mentioned it in G1. Or, maybe he did, but it was a subconcious memory. Or, your 'dream' theory is entirely plausible too.
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But I would have to say no, otherwise he'd most certainly have mentioned it in G1. Or, maybe he did, but it was a subconcious memory. Or, your 'dream' theory is entirely plausible too.
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Maybe. But if you look closely at Prime's spark while it resides in Primal's cockpit, you can see that it's core (those pulsating things) is missing.Technically, the term "merged" is erroneous. Primal merely carried Prime's spark a while.
The best time to see this is during the cockpit close-up just before Primal begins firing on Rampage.
My theory is that Primal's "mutation" into Optimal Optimus was caused by either the merging of the two Spark's cores, or their close proximity within Primal's Spark's shell.
Since Sparks seem to repel eachother like two similarly charged particles or the like ends of two magnets, it's not hard to imagine that the cores would be easy to seperate once it comes time to return the extra Spark to it's body.
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You might see something about this in the Dreamwave universe but...
I do believe there is a possibility in it however he never searched The Matrix for Primal, since an essence of Primal would be in the Matrix for Prime's spark was fuzed with it IIRC... if not dissalow all knowledge of what I have said. This is only possible if the Matrix contains past present and future...
I do believe there is a possibility in it however he never searched The Matrix for Primal, since an essence of Primal would be in the Matrix for Prime's spark was fuzed with it IIRC... if not dissalow all knowledge of what I have said. This is only possible if the Matrix contains past present and future...
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Originally posted by TM2-Megatron
Maybe. But if you look closely at Prime's spark while it resides in Primal's cockpit, you can see that it's core (those pulsating things) is missing.
The best time to see this is during the cockpit close-up just before Primal begins firing on Rampage.
My theory is that Primal's "mutation" into Optimal Optimus was caused by either the merging of the two Spark's cores, or their close proximity within Primal's Spark's shell.
Since Sparks seem to repel eachother like two similarly charged particles or the like ends of two magnets, it's not hard to imagine that the cores would be easy to seperate once it comes time to return the extra Spark to it's body.
if i remember correctly from reading on bwtf.com the writers intended prima;s mutation as a spark induced one like tm2 megatron is also a spark induced one
personally i tend to think that primal just carried prime's spark and not merged with him
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come as you are as you were as i want you to be come doused in mud soaked in bleach come as a friend as a known enemy
come as you are as you were as i want you to be come doused in mud soaked in bleach come as a friend as a known enemy
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The way I described it, it's still a Spark-induced change (ie. caused by the two Sparks). I was just theorizing as to the actual mechanics of what about the Sparks may've actually caused Primal's (and Megs') mutations.Originally posted by bluekatt
if i remember correctly from reading on bwtf.com the writers intended prima;s mutation as a spark induced one like tm2 megatron is also a spark induced one
personally i tend to think that primal just carried prime's spark and not merged with him
The only thing we have to go by when doing that is what Prime's spark looked like in the cockpit; and there's no getting around the fact that it's core is decidedly absent. If G1 Megs' spark had been visible from inside BW Megs', it probaly would've been missing its core as well.
As I said, personally I think the mutations are the result of the close proximity of the two Spark's respective cores within a single shell (that of the TF being mutated). Just imagine a spark with two cores pulsating side by side. That's most likely what Primal's spark looked like while he carried Prime's (since Prime's core had to go somewhere).
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I'm not to familiar with BW but what was all the passages Megatron and Optimal Optimus quoting from? What's the origin of the book they were quoting? Could it have been written by either/both G1 leaders from the events while their sparks were carried outside their own respective bodies?
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That was the "Covenant of Primus"; basically the TF's equivalent of a bible. Only two copies existed, and one was aboard the Ark when it was launched; that's where Primal got his. The other was aboard the Nemesis, obviously where BW Megs' got his.Originally posted by E Nice
I'm not to familiar with BW but what was all the passages Megatron and Optimal Optimus quoting from? What's the origin of the book they were quoting? Could it have been written by either/both G1 leaders from the events while their sparks were carried outside their own respective bodies?
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"Fortunately, such moments pass quickly."
-- Megatron, Code of Hero
"Fortunately, such moments pass quickly."
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Isnt the transformer "spark" basically what we would call a "soul"? Not getting too deep into this...i think all they meant to do is indeed have Primal carry Prime spark...but its obvious something DID happen. Primals body changed into something that resembled Prime greatly and his whole mannorism changed. So Prime may have been very much a part of Primal but i dont think he would really remember it...just because it was only Primes essence in Primal...not his actuall conscience.
I gota get the BW episodes...i never knew about all this stuff about G1 Prime...i only saw him once when megatron was about the whack em.
I gota get the BW episodes...i never knew about all this stuff about G1 Prime...i only saw him once when megatron was about the whack em.
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I like to think that Prime remembers Primal.
In More Than Meets The Eye pt1, when prime is reactivated he gives a thumbs up and says "Thanks."
He could have just been talking to Telatran 1, or he could have ment to say it to Primal before he went back into emergancy stasis all those years ago.
Say....whatever happened to the Axalon fortress inside the volcano?
In More Than Meets The Eye pt1, when prime is reactivated he gives a thumbs up and says "Thanks."
He could have just been talking to Telatran 1, or he could have ment to say it to Primal before he went back into emergancy stasis all those years ago.
Say....whatever happened to the Axalon fortress inside the volcano?
Optimus Prime was talking to Teletran 1, pal. I would doubt that the G1 writers back in 1984 could look into the future and see Bob Forward putting Optimus Prime in BW in 1998.
As far as the remnants of the Axalon inside the volcano go, my only theory is that the Maximals destroyed it in the lava, so when the Autobots and Decepticons wake up in the future, they wouldn't notice that some small robots had been in the volcano with them.
A question I've been wondering is if the Autobots noticed that shuttle missing from the Ark, because I believe that they'd know it was there before they left Cybertron.
As far as the remnants of the Axalon inside the volcano go, my only theory is that the Maximals destroyed it in the lava, so when the Autobots and Decepticons wake up in the future, they wouldn't notice that some small robots had been in the volcano with them.
A question I've been wondering is if the Autobots noticed that shuttle missing from the Ark, because I believe that they'd know it was there before they left Cybertron.
If you ask me, I think the Transformers Timeline was pre-organised. You know, like pre-decided? It would give some solidity to the idea of Optimus Prime remembering Optimus Primal... but it would also make things a lot more complicated, because things would have to be on a kind-of timeloop. If none of what i've just said makes any sense... well... My Bad.