Good lord, 800+ mb/enterprise ep.
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Good lord, 800+ mb/enterprise ep.
Overkill.
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Who cares....
Its star Trek....
Go download The Two Towers divx if you are looking for some quality entertainment at file sizes that large.
I am so glad trek is dieing off.
Its star Trek....
Go download The Two Towers divx if you are looking for some quality entertainment at file sizes that large.
I am so glad trek is dieing off.
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Nah it wasn't dumb. Since TNG was still running, it was important that DS9 branch out, and be something different. Once TNG had finished, they brought in elements from that series (The Klingons in series 4, for instance).
TNG never had a common theme throughout it's tenure though. It was always a series of independent shows - apart from the odd two parter. You never felt you were watching the day to day changing of the galaxy, and that's one of the reasons I preferred DS9 to every other Trek by some considerable margin. That, and DS9 was funnier, better acted, and the characters evoked more emotion for me.
Voyager was aweful. Just a rehashing of plots done before, but with annoying actors (Kate Mulgrew was offensive... I hated Janeway). If it weren't for the fact that the ship was cool and the Doctor rocked, there'd be absolutely nothing good about Voyager at all, bar the theme tune.
And don't get me started on Enterprise...
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TNG never had a common theme throughout it's tenure though. It was always a series of independent shows - apart from the odd two parter. You never felt you were watching the day to day changing of the galaxy, and that's one of the reasons I preferred DS9 to every other Trek by some considerable margin. That, and DS9 was funnier, better acted, and the characters evoked more emotion for me.
Voyager was aweful. Just a rehashing of plots done before, but with annoying actors (Kate Mulgrew was offensive... I hated Janeway). If it weren't for the fact that the ship was cool and the Doctor rocked, there'd be absolutely nothing good about Voyager at all, bar the theme tune.
And don't get me started on Enterprise...
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It's a big galaxy. One ship can't be everywhere. And anyway, we did see the USS Enterprise, in the very first episode. Granted, it wasn't the Enterprise-E, but still...
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Yes but the movies (a continueation off of ST:TNG) kept a good happy view of Worf, while when he first showed up on DS9 he was disheartened with Starfleet life (obviously from the Enterprise as that was his last posting).
Second, the Enterprise was always at the Major battles (Wolf 359, borg at earth, battle of Beta Zed (though stories) ETC.)
Yet the battle against the Klingons where the whole fleet was - not there, Battle to retake DS9 - not there, battle against the (Bosh looking guys) - not there. No plausable explanation.
I realize part of it was so that Picard wouldn't steal Sisko's thunder, but the other part is that they didn't want the universe to really mix.
Second, the Enterprise was always at the Major battles (Wolf 359, borg at earth, battle of Beta Zed (though stories) ETC.)
Yet the battle against the Klingons where the whole fleet was - not there, Battle to retake DS9 - not there, battle against the (Bosh looking guys) - not there. No plausable explanation.
I realize part of it was so that Picard wouldn't steal Sisko's thunder, but the other part is that they didn't want the universe to really mix.
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Originally posted by Brave Maximus
Yes but the movies (a continueation off of ST:TNG) kept a good happy view of Worf, while when he first showed up on DS9 he was disheartened with Starfleet life (obviously from the Enterprise as that was his last posting).
I may misunderstood you, but are you saying that DS9 occurs after The Next Generation Movies (8, 9 and 10)? I always thought it was the other way around.
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Sorry I may not have been clear
First Contact actually takes place before the Dominion wars (That why Worf is in command of the Defiant).
Insurrection takes place after the Dominon war (as they're playing clean up - BUT Worf hasn't been named an ambasidor to the Klingon empire)
Nemesis takes place after DS9 and Voyager (with little else explained )
First Contact actually takes place before the Dominion wars (That why Worf is in command of the Defiant).
Insurrection takes place after the Dominon war (as they're playing clean up - BUT Worf hasn't been named an ambasidor to the Klingon empire)
Nemesis takes place after DS9 and Voyager (with little else explained )
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DS9 kept a good, happy view of Worf too, after Season 4, when he first arrived. He was depressed then because of the destruction of the Enterprise (as you said).
There was only one battle against the Klingons in DS9, in the first episode of Season 4. And that was the station against a Klingon fleet. Six ships showed up right at the end, but the Enterprise wasn't part of that task force. Which isn't surprising when you think about it.
And the Enterprise wasn't actually at Wolf 359 - it arrived later. That's why we see it picking it's way through the wreckage of the battle. It actually caught up with the Borg in the Sol system I think.
It wasn't supposed to be at the second battle with the Borg at Earth either - it was deliberately kept out of that battle, because they thought Picard would be a risk to the fleet. It only arrived there because Picard disobeyed orders.
If memory serves, the battle to retake DS9 was fought by the 9th fleet. The Enterprise is the flagship - therefore presumably part of the 1st Fleet.
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There was only one battle against the Klingons in DS9, in the first episode of Season 4. And that was the station against a Klingon fleet. Six ships showed up right at the end, but the Enterprise wasn't part of that task force. Which isn't surprising when you think about it.
And the Enterprise wasn't actually at Wolf 359 - it arrived later. That's why we see it picking it's way through the wreckage of the battle. It actually caught up with the Borg in the Sol system I think.
It wasn't supposed to be at the second battle with the Borg at Earth either - it was deliberately kept out of that battle, because they thought Picard would be a risk to the fleet. It only arrived there because Picard disobeyed orders.
If memory serves, the battle to retake DS9 was fought by the 9th fleet. The Enterprise is the flagship - therefore presumably part of the 1st Fleet.
Uh oh, my Star Trek geekness is shining through now. Be afraid!
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Point conceded - I forgot about that, and always thought he left because he was un happy - my fault (thanks for reminding me)Originally posted by Sixswitch
DS9 kept a good, happy view of Worf too, after Season 4, when he first arrived. He was depressed then because of the destruction of the Enterprise (as you said).
Not really - Picard was the one who made Gowron the high chancelor, and Picard was one of the most highly respected humans to the Klingons, it would have made sense to have him there, he could have stopped the fight with words (of course, that wouldn't have been as fun )There was only one battle against the Klingons in DS9, in the first episode of Season 4. And that was the station against a Klingon fleet. Six ships showed up right at the end, but the Enterprise wasn't part of that task force. Which isn't surprising when you think about it.
Enterprise was supposed to lead the battle at Wolf 359 but was disabled by the borg so it showed up late (good thing too, or else it would have been distroyed like the rest of the ships)And the Enterprise wasn't actually at Wolf 359 - it arrived later. That's why we see it picking it's way through the wreckage of the battle. It actually caught up with the Borg in the Sol system I think.
True, But after they saved the federation again, you think they would have learned their lessonIt wasn't supposed to be at the second battle with the Borg at Earth either - it was deliberately kept out of that battle, because they thought Picard would be a risk to the fleet. It only arrived there because Picard disobeyed orders.
Enterprise isn't actually attached to a fleet (every fleet has a flag ship, while the enterprise is the flagship of the federation)If memory serves, the battle to retake DS9 was fought by the 9th fleet. The Enterprise is the flagship - therefore presumably part of the 1st Fleet.
It served as the flagship at the battle of Beta Zed, which was the 7th fleet and commanded the 8th when they were trying to catch the Romlans using cloaked Vulcan ships (Geekyness confirmed if you know what I'm talking about;)). And as DS9 was probably the most stratic spot in the Galaxy at that point, she would have been there (or at least one Sovrign class).
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No worries, that makes 2 of us who are high on the geek meter right now
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True, it would have made sense. But presumably the Enterprise was out of range, and wouldn't have got there in time. And as you say, it wouldn't have been as much fun.Originally posted by Brave Maximus
Not really - Picard was the one who made Gowron the high chancelor, and Picard was one of the most highly respected humans to the Klingons, it would have made sense to have him there, he could have stopped the fight with words (of course, that wouldn't have been as fun )
I saw these episodes several years back, so my memory was somewhat hazy. Course, since the Enterprise was one of the toughest ships in Starfleet at the time, it made sense for it to be there if it could have done.Enterprise was supposed to lead the battle at Wolf 359 but was disabled by the borg so it showed up late (good thing too, or else it would have been distroyed like the rest of the ships)
See my above point (it's a big Galaxy)True, But after they saved the federation again, you think they would have learned their lesson
I know every fleet has a flagship. I assumed though that the Enterprise would be assigned to the first fleet.Enterprise isn't actually attached to a fleet (every fleet has a flag ship, while the enterprise is the flagship of the federation)
You mean the battle where the Dominion occupied Betazed? I don't remember this being mentioned in DS9. Was it? Or was it mentioned in one of the films?It served as the flagship at the battle of Beta Zed, which was the 7th fleet
The episode of TNG when the Romulans were going to invade Vulcan? I don't remember a fleet being involved in that. And as for the Sovereign thing, there were only two Sovereigns that we know about in existance at the time. These things were rare.and commanded the 8th when they were trying to catch the Romlans using cloaked Vulcan ships (Geekyness confirmed if you know what I'm talking about;)). And as DS9 was probably the most stratic spot in the Galaxy at that point, she would have been there (or at least one Sovrign class).
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True but the Sovrign is the second fastest ship in the Federation, capable of traversing federation space (a small section of the galaxy) in under 12 hours - any planned attack would then gather ships, if needed the Enterprise could have been there in time.Originally posted by Sixswitch
See my above point (it's a big Galaxy)
Nope, Actually, that's the Sovrigns fleet (second of that class) or it's the Excellciors, I can't remember. Anyway, the 1st fleet is commanded by some huge admiral and is usually in defence of the earth or Vulcan.I know every fleet has a flagship. I assumed though that the Enterprise would be assigned to the first fleet.
Battle of Beta Zed was mentioned in DS9, the Enterprises involvement was breifly mentioned in Insurection.You mean the battle where the Dominion occupied Betazed? I don't remember this being mentioned in DS9. Was it? Or was it mentioned in one of the films?
Yeah it was where they tried to do that net thing to catch cloaked ships.The episode of TNG when the Romulans were going to invade Vulcan? I don't remember a fleet being involved in that. And as for the Sovereign thing, there were only two Sovereigns that we know about in existance at the time. These things were rare.
Oh and the 2nd borg battle was the 1st, 4th and 9th fleets I think
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Originally posted by Prowl?
Who cares....
Its star Trek....
Go download The Two Towers divx if you are looking for some quality entertainment at file sizes that large.
I am so glad trek is dieing off.
LOL
Ya right, I cant stand the LOTR stuff, I was extremely bored watching it, and will never give it another go.
DS9 imo was also just as boring, I prefer Voyager to it in all aspects, Ill quickly lose interest in a DS9 ep (10 min in) where with Voyager I could always finish off an ep.
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Originally posted by Brave Maximus
True but the Sovrign is the second fastest ship in the Federation, capable of traversing federation space (a small section of the galaxy) in under 12 hours - any planned attack would then gather ships, if needed the Enterprise could have been there in time.
Nuh-uh. Fed space ain't that small or the Enterprise that fast that it could get across in 12 hours. All signs point to the federation being fairly large and warp technology not fast enough to traverse it's entirety that quickly.
Nope, Actually, that's the Sovrigns fleet (second of that class) or it's the Excellciors, I can't remember. Anyway, the 1st fleet is commanded by some huge admiral and is usually in defence of the earth or Vulcan.
The Excelsior at this point would be long retired. So it's probably the Sovereign's command.
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I like Star Trek TNG, but I'm lukewarm toward Voyager and don't like DS9. I'm a big fan of Babylon 5 (season 2-5), and I do believe that DS9 was inspired by B5 (I know DS9 came out before B5, but JMS the creator shipped the idea of B5 to Paramount and other major studios way before DS9 was conceived). It also explains why DS9 was such a far departure from any Trek series before, and after. I think Enterprise would have been a great series, but Paramount fudge it up by playing it safe, instead of pushing the envelope and take a risk with the storylines.