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Re: Covid 19 / everybody PANDEMIC

Post by Skyquake87 » Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:59 pm

Aye, observed much the same - 'Pandemic's over' seems to be the prevailing attitude. I'm so used to wearing a mask these days, I'm quite happy to carry on. Noticed most shops have wound down their supplies of hand sanitiser and masks now. There's still signs up in shops encouraging people to wear masks etc but no-one gives a f**k.

I think the best any of us can do now is eat healthy, get plenty of exercise and keep washing your hands.

Quite a few people at work have refused the jabs - including people on my team. Largely out of buying into conspiracy theories (which for smart and well adjusted people I find depressing) or 'it won't happen to me'. Two of these have now come down with Covid. Sigh.

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Post by Sades » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:18 am

The child is returning to school as cases surge here.

... I still think I'm going to end up keeping her home. Not sure. I go back and forth on it.

Alberta's acting like nothing is wrong but the numbers are climbing. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't anxious, but at the very least the school boards are taking the same precautions they did last year.

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Post by Denyer » Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:05 pm

Cases/illness/deaths rising here too, and evidence that protectiveness of vaccines is starting to tail off (although at least should act to avoid serious illness in cases of smaller viral load). But the consensus seems to be that autumn is a lot of unknowns.

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Post by Sades » Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:20 am

From the back to school plan:

If there is a case of COVID-19 at school

As the school year starts, the province has indicated that schools will not be informed about individual cases of COVID-19. Staff and students may choose to notify a school about a positive COVID-19 test, but it is not required. If we receive notification about a positive case from Alberta Health Services in a school, we will communicate with the school community. Quarantine is not required for close contacts under current provincial direction. This means classes will not be required to quarantine if there is a case of COVID-19 at school. Individuals who test positive will be expected to quarantine based on the provincial requirements in place at that time.


**** **** **** **** **** I don't know guys, I really don't know.

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Post by Warcry » Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:46 am

That's terrifying. I know kids usually come through COVID without getting too sick, but a policy like that is a good way to make sure that it'll tear right through an entire school until it finds the handful of kids whose immune systems are vulnerable. :(

In Manitoba, we've whiplashed from our schools being in the same position as Alberta's to "mandatory masks and vaccines" at the very last minute. The schools themselves probably aren't prepared for the logistics of that, and I know some of the parents won't be. The start of school is going to be a disaster because the government was too scared to make the right decision until they were shamed into it by parents and the teachers' union.

That's how everything seems to be going here these days, since the province doesn't have any leadership. Our premier resigned a couple weeks ago, because his party's popularity has tanked over the last year and a half as they dealt with the pandemic. That was less because of their actual policies, and more because Brian Pallister is a uncharismatic ghoul of a human being who was completely incapable of conveying even the simplest things about it without coming across as an arrogant asshole.

So now we're stuck with no one actually in charge, and the government jumping in contradictory directions without any coherent strategy. Three weeks ago they rescinded basically all their COVID restrictions on a dime without so much as hinting they were thinking about it, probably as a last-ditch attempt to turn their poll numbers around before playing the "it's all the premier's fault and he's resigned now" card. As of this weekend they're back on, and in fact they're more strict now than they were before. No one knows why, or why they were taken off in the first place if they were still needed (spoiler alert: they are definitely still needed because anti-vaxxers in our bible belt are determined to kick off a fourth wave of infections).

Oh, and several sitting members of government have now broken ranks to align themselves with the anti-vax, anti-mask crowds because of course they have, as a big segment of the Conservative Party in Canada is drawn from the "Christian fanatics who actually oppose everything Jesus stood for" demographic that also seems to form the nucleus of the anti-vax movement here in Manitoba.

In related "fun", the federal branch of the party is in hot water after a bunch of their campaign volunteers took part in a violent anti-mask, anti-vax (and, er, anti-vaping restrictions?) protest that shut down one of Justin Trudeau's campaign stops over the weekend. The same groups seem to be making death threats to various candidates who won't validate the conspiracy theories they've embraced.
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Was that the guy who was running for Mayor of Calgary? Yeah, **** that guy.
I meant to answer you a month ago! It was Maxime Bernier that our RCMP tossed in a cell a while back.

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Post by Sades » Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:22 am

Ahhhhhhhh yeahhhh. **** that guy, too.

1,842 cases in the Edmonton zone at last count. And our kids are starting school in three days.

I want to keep mine home but I also feel like she needs to go. This is fucking awful. I feel like I'm gambling with her physical health for the sake of her mental health.

Don't even get me started on politics. I think Kenney's still on vacation, no one knows where the **** he is. Meanwhile nurses have been put on notice that their vacations might be cut short as case numbers go up.

Indian Country seems to be leaning heavily NDP this go 'round. It's interesting to see. Jagmeet and his brother are both on Tiktok trying to snag that youth/Indigenous vote. :laugh:

Have you been introduced to The Beaverton, Warcry?

Edit: Y'know, the UCP may be a big steaming pile of hot garbage, but at least they aren't the People's Party.

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Post by Warcry » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:17 am

Speaking of Wannabe Calgary Mayor Guy, this was good to see. Hopefully he lands more jail time on the other charges. What a piece of trash.
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I want to keep mine home but I also feel like she needs to go. This is fucking awful. I feel like I'm gambling with her physical health for the sake of her mental health.
I can understand that. Things aren't so bad in Manitoba right now, but when everything went to hell in April/May that was exactly how I felt...I knew that keeping him safe at home was the only thing we could do to protect him, but at the same time I felt terrible because I could see the psychological toll it was taking on him every single day. It got so bad that he was too scared to even go out and play in our own back yard for a while. His school starts up again tomorrow and he's so nervous about it that the stress gave him two nosebleeds at bedtime. :(
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Don't even get me started on politics. I think Kenney's still on vacation, no one knows where the **** he is. Meanwhile nurses have been put on notice that their vacations might be cut short as case numbers go up.
I hear he showed up on a Facebook stream this week, answering pre-approved questions submitted by his followers and talking about how he deserved a break after all his hard work. What a swell leader!

...meanwhile in Manitoba, after Pallister ragequit this toolbox is leading the province for the next two months. The odds-on favourite to become full-time premier until the next election is the health minister who mismanaged the pandemic so badly that we needed to ship COVID patients to Ontario and Saskatchewan. I think we're doomed. :(
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Have you been introduced to The Beaverton, Warcry?
I have! Sadly, the real world is so absurd these days that it can be hard to tell the difference.
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Edit: Y'know, the UCP may be a big steaming pile of hot garbage, but at least they aren't the People's Party.
Ah, so we've reached the point where recycled 4chan memes are now being used in place of actual political discourse. I figured it would take at least one more election cycle before things sunk that low.

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Post by Clogs » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:24 am

Hey, guys! Over here, the Dinosaur Party aka Labour has responded to the Conservative government putting a small tax on earnings to help the NHS recover and continue delivering services by crying ‘the poor are going to be paying for the rich’ (you can actually identify the party by that cry!) and ‘they promised not to increase taxes - you can’t trust liars like this’.
Oh, and shouts about government mismanaging the whole C-19 thing.
Let’s be honest: every damn government made mistakes. The last real pandemic was in 1918 and even prepping for a new event (there are plans to handle Ebola, you know) wasn’t sufficient. The lies from China and complacency by WHO didn’t help anyone.
Meanwhile, deaths are increasing in the UK, slowly but steadily. I believe that the NHS is handling this level of flow pretty well, but it’s still around 800 lives lost per week.

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Post by Denyer » Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:01 pm

Labour are fucking useless and only a few governments have done particularly well, but this one's been more corrupt, embezzling, murderously stupid, etc than most that wouldn't be considered kleptocracies.

National insurance hikes disproportionately affect lower earners and when you've got stats like over £100 billion being trousered during a pandemic the argument "tax the rich" holds a lot of water.

Similarly, there's a fuckton of quantitative easing in the 100s of billions range going on, national insurance is just a way of making direct taxation a little more palatable to followers than wealth/profit taxes; "sharing" the burden wider and also lumping it onto businesses.

Added to which it'll get swallowed up putting sticking plasters on the NHS, completely failing to meet the manifesto pledge of preventing care recipients from having to sell homes, etc.

Meanwhile, they're trying to ram this through parliament:

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-i ... se-the-nhs

Even that relatively friendly interpretation focusing on free-at-the-point-of-access emergency care remaining unchanged concludes "There are several parts of the Health and Care Bill which MPs need to take a very close look at indeed. The local changes are positive in heralding a more cooperative health service, but this is a very difficult time to introduce complicated changes. The new powers for Secretaries of State risk creating a health service where decisions are taken to suit party politics rather than patients. The provisions on social care and the workforce are inadequate."

Backdoor privatisation and profiteering, when about 10% of NHS budgets are already effectively privatised.

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Post by Clogs » Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:28 am

Honestly, Denyer, if Labour ministers parade like this, we will end up with a totally privatised health service. Perhaps they’d like that..? They can generate support off the poor while not being poor themselves, then provide alcohol and food lines for the poor.

I think it’s called ‘Communism’.

Like it or not, it’s best we pay a little extra for healthcare right now rather than end up in the unenviable position of a lot of people in the rest of the world.

The schools are back and the infection/death rate is already rising. I’m being told that if I’m vaccinated and get a negative PCR test once a week, I can carry on even if I’m in direct contact with someone with full blown Covid... expect a rough winter ahead.

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Post by Denyer » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:53 pm

Legally speaking I don't think you need the clear test if vaccinated or a kid. Although if Israel's anything to go by (and it looks like it is) there's going to be a lot of reliance on boosters.
Honestly, Denyer, if Labour ministers parade like this, we will end up with a totally privatised health service. Perhaps they’d like that..?
Labour need to split into purplish Tories and Labour. They're unelectable, and the only way Blair got elected was getting into bed with Murdoch et al. It's the Tory lite part that'll stand any chance.

They'll still have to differentiate themselves in terms of policies and present something credible and trustworthy. Otherwise it'll be the status quo of being able to hold a press conference for Patel to skin immigrant Dalmation puppies whilst Johnson fucks them in a PPV for party donors. I'm fascinated what this will eventually contain because it'll all have been run past lawyers.

Actually, it'll be interesting to see if NI (and not the the NI that should have made a difference to approval ratings) can tip them over the edge, as the self-interested polls by broadsheet owners are desperately trying to suggest.
Like it or not, it’s best we pay a little extra for healthcare right now
Absolutely. Scatter-gun targeting low income earners and small businesses disproportionately (and particularly after massive reductions in income, furloughing staff and all the rest) is a really shit way of doing that for everyone apart from the people/companies sitting pretty it protects.

It's not likely to have a particularly adverse affect on either of us whichever way they do it, AFAIK? We can take a bit of an increase in tax on income and investments. And some people who've benefited massively from disaster capitalism and government funding can take more than a bit of an increase.

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Post by Clogs » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:52 am

987 deaths in the UK in the last 7 days, 14 in my local area, and numbers rising daily. Viruses don’t bother about government decisions and opposition arguments.

College has been open barely one week and we’ve students and staff off either because they are resident with someone with Covid-19, have had a positive test result and/or have symptoms. Yeah, we’re guessing a few of the not-so-bright students will be fibbing, just like last year; it became the absence excuse of choice rather than migraine or food poisoning.

Leicester City Council has plans prepared to fully reopen public services within the next month, I’m told.

Stay well, friends :love:

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