Shockwave reissue on the horizon?

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Shockwave reissue on the horizon?

Post by -Predaking- » Thu Mar 27, 2003 4:43 am

My brother bought Optimus Prime reissue from Takara, the box version. In it you can see Shockwave inside a box with packaging very similar to Megatron's first reissue and with number 49 on it. I think it's highly likely that it will be reissued since it's not a G1 box. I own a MIB Shockwave that cost me $$$ but I'd love to get a MISB version if I can. What do you all think? Can anybody provide more information on this rumor?

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Post by Dinobot » Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:07 am

I thought Hasbro/Takara has lost the rights to the Shockwave mould? :confused:
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Post by RID Scourge » Thu Mar 27, 2003 6:19 am

If they have it, I'm gonna buy three of them. One to keep MISB, one to display, and one to play with. He is my favorite decepticon leader. I would kill in cold blood for him. I'd even sacrifice my victim the way that the ancient Greeks sacrificed to their gods. That's how much I want that mold. :D

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Post by Cliffjumper » Thu Mar 27, 2003 1:40 pm

Originally posted by Galvatron84
I thought Hasbro/Takara has lost the rights to the Shockwave mould? :confused:


Yup, I'm pretty sure they have. And his original Japanese box, as Laserwave, looked pretty much like the first MEgatron reissue, with a '49' on it. If it was a forthcoming reissue, it probably wouldn't have the 49 on it.

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Post by Autoprime720 » Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:36 pm

how exactly does a company lose the rights to their own character? i guess it isnt their own?

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Post by Sixswitch » Thu Mar 27, 2003 6:13 pm

Copyrights are only valid for a certain number of years, which varies depending on the media type. You also have to take out several copyrights for each media type that your creation is published in. So to keep a copyright on Shockwave, Hasbro would have had to take out one for the toy, one for comics, one for cartoons, etc. Since they probably figured that they'd not be making any more of the Shockwave toy at some point, they probably didn't renew the copyright on it.k

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Post by Cliffjumper » Thu Mar 27, 2003 6:17 pm

Like all the 1984-85 Transformers, it was an existing toy repainted. Shockwave was one of the more curious examples, as the mould had I believe changed hands with regard to copyright several times already, and unlike most of the others wasn't owned by Takara, who partnered Hasbro [well, sort of...] with Transformers. In '85, the popularity of Transformers was so high that Hasbro needed to put some other figures out alongside the remnants of the Diaclones before their own new figures were ready in 1986... so, as well as several permuations of already-issued figs [Hoist, Smokescreen, Red Alert etc.] a number of transforming robots were licensed - Jetfire, the Deluxe Insecticons, the Deluxe Vehicles, Shockwave, Omega Supreme... the parentage of the Shockwave mould was so messed up even then that Radioshack were able to put out a grey version named Galactic Man totally legally while Hasbro were still trying to get Shockwave on the shelves. On top of this, Hasbro's license could well havce been quite short-term, to avoid having to pay Bandai etc. massive royalties over an extended period of time.

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Post by Cyberstrike nTo » Thu Mar 27, 2003 7:17 pm

Don't count on seeing Roadbuster, Whirl, Omega Supreme, Jetfire, and Sky Lynx reissues in the near future either.
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Post by Lord Zarak » Thu Mar 27, 2003 8:22 pm

Originally posted by Cyberstrike nTo
Don't count on seeing Roadbuster, Whirl, Omega Supreme, Jetfire, and Sky Lynx reissues in the near future either.


Can understand Jetfire, but why not the others? Same reason as Shckwave?
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Post by Halfshell » Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:21 pm

The Takara "collectors series" reissues all have book pages in - throughout the entire series they've been illustrating all the toys released in the original line.

Laserwave is actually the only example of the "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform: Transformer" series that wasn't manufactured by Takara. Woot. :)

Omega Supreme and Sky Lynx were both Toy Box designs. I can't remember who made the Deluxe Insecticons and Vehicles. All of the reissues upto now have been Takara instigated, and I can't see them instigating the reissue of toys they didn't make.
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Post by RID Scourge » Thu Mar 27, 2003 11:57 pm

That's too bad.

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Post by Raiden » Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:49 am

So what's the chance of Shockwave being reissued? Good, or next to nil?
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Post by StoneCold Skywarp » Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:56 am

hmm, given the evidence.

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Post by Ultimate Weapon » Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:51 am

Originally posted by Quicksilver
the parentage of the Shockwave mould was so messed up even then that Radioshack were able to put out a grey version named Galactic Man totally legally while Hasbro were still trying to get Shockwave on the shelves. On top of this, Hasbro's license could well havce been quite short-term, to avoid having to pay Bandai etc. massive royalties over an extended period of time.


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Post by Jetfire426 » Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:12 am

I just want to know how hasbro keeps loosing the rights to this stuff... they loose Bluestreaks name.. how could they let that happen.. now they have no rights to the mold.. its bad enough that alot of the molds were broken... well thats what I;ve heard/read...and if thats true then I would tell Hasbro then make another one DAMNIT!!! :mad:
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Post by RID Scourge » Fri Mar 28, 2003 7:05 am

It's because Hasbro's stupid, adn they suck. Never forget that.

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Post by Cliffjumper » Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:03 pm

Originally posted by PaladinPrime
It's because Hasbro's stupid, adn they suck. Never forget that.


Or because bugger-all people bought most of the figures when the names were last used, Transformers fans were bored of Transformers and Hasbro had no way of knowing the names would ever be of use to them. It costs money to renew copyrights. It's not a problem; we all know Bluestreak is called Bluestreak, and if you get pissed off about what's written on a piss-poor box, well, frankly that's your problem.

I'm 99% the Deluxe Insecticons were Bandai... and 90% Roadbuster [who I just broke... yay...] and Whirl were. I can't find a stamp of any sort on RB though, it might have been on the accessories, or they could always have been modified for the Transformers...

Jetfire 426, it's not Hasbro's fault they don't have the rights to the non-Hasbro/Takara moulds. We're actually quite lucky they didn't sell tons of them off when fan apathy killed G2 in 1995/96. And we're quite lucky we got Shockwave, Jetfire etc. in the first place.

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Post by Dinobot » Sat Mar 29, 2003 3:47 am

Regarding the broken/lost moulds thing, and forgive if I'm being stupid here, but couldn't Hasbro just make another one by using an existing toy?
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Post by Cliffjumper » Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:05 pm

It would cost a fortune to reverse-engineer a mould. I doubt the reissue sales have justified that expendditure yet.

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Post by Dinobot » Sun Mar 30, 2003 1:22 am

Originally posted by Cliffjumper
It would cost a fortune to reverse-engineer a mould. I doubt the reissue sales have justified that expendditure yet.
Wouldn't simply be a case of putting something around the toys parts to get the shapes? I know I'm stupid. I'll leave now...
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