[New RPG] Citybots
Citybots
I notice that Fortress Maximus and Scorponok have both been claimed for the new game. Since they're both being run by the same people who claimed them, and the current characters are normal-sized, I'm guessing they'll be the same in the new game too?
I don't think we've actually talked about what to do with city-sized bots as a whole, though. These two have a lot of precedent for being normal-sized so m'eh on them, but what about Trypticon, Metroplex, Overlord, Grand and Brave Maximus, Omega Supreme, Metrotitan, Gigastorm and whoever else I'm forgetting? Are each of them currently running around in normal-sized TF bodies, do they not exist yet, or something else entirely?
I don't think we've actually talked about what to do with city-sized bots as a whole, though. These two have a lot of precedent for being normal-sized so m'eh on them, but what about Trypticon, Metroplex, Overlord, Grand and Brave Maximus, Omega Supreme, Metrotitan, Gigastorm and whoever else I'm forgetting? Are each of them currently running around in normal-sized TF bodies, do they not exist yet, or something else entirely?
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The size of the supposed 'citybots' is pretty wildly inconsistent. Other than that one UK comic issue with Metroplex I don't think any of them were ever actually drawn any bigger than Omega even when they were technically supposed to be. I would tend to prefer to keep them at his size, because that's about as properly colossal as you can get before people can see you from orbit.
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Omega Supreme at least would make sense as the Autobot shuttle/Ark, a la Animated, while I liked Trypticon-as-a-space-station like in WFC.
Although it's likely that none of them would show up on Earth...
Scorpy's gonna be big — Marvel comics/IDW appearance, roughly twice the size of someone like the Autobot cars, but not city sized.
Although it's likely that none of them would show up on Earth...
Scorpy's gonna be big — Marvel comics/IDW appearance, roughly twice the size of someone like the Autobot cars, but not city sized.
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I would really love to see Metroplex in the RPG, but him being there from the start wouldn't make much sense. You could always go the IDW route with him and have him be a guardian of something important that travels from planet to planet to keep it safe. Maybe our Alpha Trion flees Megatron's assault in Metroplex as he takes something important with him that Megatron wants?
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It sounds like an interesting plot, but it would derail them heading to earth, as Megs would then be going after them. We could just have Metroplex routed to earth, but we then come back to the situation of blowing the cover on the tranformers early, as a citybot is easily spotted.Springer85 wrote:Maybe our Alpha Trion flees Megatron's assault in Metroplex as he takes something important with him that Megatron wants?
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What about that particular event happened in the past? Metroplex lands on Earth in the past and is burried in a volcano or deep underground. It'll kinda be like how Brave Maximus was burried on Earth in RiD.
Or, we just keep it simple and when the time comes, Metroplex will be built on Earth like in Scramble City.
Or, we just keep it simple and when the time comes, Metroplex will be built on Earth like in Scramble City.
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Yep. Figured it would simplify things by going the Marvel route (or, I dunno, maybe what Dreamwave was shooting for) with Fort Max this time around. He's a tricky character to play, as you know, and he's further complicated by being made up of elements from his Sunbow, Marvel and Japanese incarnations.Warcry wrote:I notice that Fortress Maximus and Scorponok have both been claimed for the new game. Since they're both being run by the same people who claimed them, and the current characters are normal-sized, I'm guessing they'll be the same in the new game too?
Honestly, I couldn't imagine anything like Metroplex existing pre-war. He's probably the most 'military' of all the big bots, and what would be the point of a gigantic death machine on a peaceful world? It could be that he's a relic of the last great war, but that's usually been Omega Supreme's characterization rather than Metroplex's. Maybe Alpha Trion brings Omega with him, and later on we activate Omega and it leads to an arms race that produces Metroplex and the rest?
Plus using Omega Supreme as a starship makes more sense than using Metroplex, since Omega turns into a rocket but Metroplex's three modes are all pretty obviously ground-based.
I really like Blackjack's idea of having Omega Supreme be the Autobots' spaceship, actually. It would give the Autobots an immediate goal other than survival: getting the resources they need to bring Omega back online so that they can turn him loose on the Decepticons. The Decepticons' ship could be a badly-damaged Trypticon (Or maybe Tidal Wave? Mostly because it would be a good pun if the Decepticons' base ends up underwater like in the cartoon, but also 'cause then we could hold Trypticon back to be Metroplex's opposite number.) too, and both factions could be in a race to see who reactivates their superweapon first? Obviously culminating it the two of them pound the crap out of each other in a public place.
And having two gigantic war machines slugging it out in the middle of a city would do a good job of blowing both factions' cover, too.
Plus using Omega Supreme as a starship makes more sense than using Metroplex, since Omega turns into a rocket but Metroplex's three modes are all pretty obviously ground-based.
I really like Blackjack's idea of having Omega Supreme be the Autobots' spaceship, actually. It would give the Autobots an immediate goal other than survival: getting the resources they need to bring Omega back online so that they can turn him loose on the Decepticons. The Decepticons' ship could be a badly-damaged Trypticon (Or maybe Tidal Wave? Mostly because it would be a good pun if the Decepticons' base ends up underwater like in the cartoon, but also 'cause then we could hold Trypticon back to be Metroplex's opposite number.) too, and both factions could be in a race to see who reactivates their superweapon first? Obviously culminating it the two of them pound the crap out of each other in a public place.
And having two gigantic war machines slugging it out in the middle of a city would do a good job of blowing both factions' cover, too.
Or maybe Metroplex could be built in secret by Alpha Trion (or, hell, anyone can do this — say, Grapple) while on Cybertron? I actually liked the idea of Metroplex having been on Earth in the past. Similar, kind of, to my idea from another thread. Maybe he's sunken like Atlantis?
Just throwing ideas here, Trypticon could be built in secret in the Dark of the Moon (TF3 ahoy), away from human sights.
Just throwing ideas here, Trypticon could be built in secret in the Dark of the Moon (TF3 ahoy), away from human sights.
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I'm thinking back to the earlier suggestion of Alpha Trion being a figure of the church, and his typical standard role as a senator/political figure, and I just can't see him building a war weapon. Unless we're talking about an extreme personality change on him, Alpha Trion's not the kind to go about building weapons, a stretch to even condone them.
I agree with Warcry's idea on it, holding back Metroplex an Trypticon for later on. Using Omega Supreme and Tidalwave as the ships sounds like it'd work well.
edit/add: I do think it sounds reasonable that some of the guys might start work on a large fortification like Metroplex as things start to heat up in the war. Some guys thinking they might need it, so they get started on it now instead of having to rush on it later. When the evac occurs, Metroplex would be left unfinished, waiting for later when the bots have to return for it.
I agree with Warcry's idea on it, holding back Metroplex an Trypticon for later on. Using Omega Supreme and Tidalwave as the ships sounds like it'd work well.
edit/add: I do think it sounds reasonable that some of the guys might start work on a large fortification like Metroplex as things start to heat up in the war. Some guys thinking they might need it, so they get started on it now instead of having to rush on it later. When the evac occurs, Metroplex would be left unfinished, waiting for later when the bots have to return for it.
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I actually like that idea very much. Gives Wheeljack something to do right from the start too, eventhough I'll have him invent some other stuff tooWarcry wrote: I really like Blackjack's idea of having Omega Supreme be the Autobots' spaceship, actually. It would give the Autobots an immediate goal other than survival: getting the resources they need to bring Omega back online so that they can turn him loose on the Decepticons. The Decepticons' ship could be a badly-damaged Trypticon (Or maybe Tidal Wave? Mostly because it would be a good pun if the Decepticons' base ends up underwater like in the cartoon, but also 'cause then we could hold Trypticon back to be Metroplex's opposite number.) too, and both factions could be in a race to see who reactivates their superweapon first? Obviously culminating it the two of them pound the crap out of each other in a public place.
Is gestalt tech available from the start? If not, the Decepticons could still use the Nemisis and crash that. Then Megatron, aware that Omega Supreme is a problem for him, orders somebody to come up with a way to prepare for a possible attack by Omega. Hook (or someone else) comes up with creating a gestalt and viola: you have something that the Autobots would like to have their hands on too.
Tidal Wave would be great to see in the RPG too though
Ditto. Metroplex and Trypticon seems to be the end-all-and-be-all in terms of size (barring Unicron, of course), while Omega Supreme, Tidal Wave, Scorponok and Fort Max are just big Transformers, Omega in particular the size of a gestalt.Aero Blade wrote:I agree with Warcry's idea on it, holding back Metroplex an Trypticon for later on. Using Omega Supreme and Tidalwave as the ships sounds like it'd work well.
I do think it sounds reasonable that some of the guys might start work on a large fortification like Metroplex as things start to heat up in the war. Some guys thinking they might need it, so they get started on it now instead of having to rush on it later. When the evac occurs, Metroplex would be left unfinished, waiting for later when the bots have to return for it.
Excellent idea.
Aye. I've always liked the portrayal Omega as being a relic of the last Great War, perhaps the last Guardian robot or whatever.Warcry wrote:Honestly, I couldn't imagine anything like Metroplex existing pre-war. He's probably the most 'military' of all the big bots, and what would be the point of a gigantic death machine on a peaceful world? It could be that he's a relic of the last great war, but that's usually been Omega Supreme's characterization rather than Metroplex's. Maybe Alpha Trion brings Omega with him, and later on we activate Omega and it leads to an arms race that produces Metroplex and the rest?
Why must Alpha Trion build Metroplex anyway? I liked the whole Autobots-build-Metroplex-on-Earth after they made an alliance with the humans thing that we have in Marvel comics and IIRC Dreamwave. Honestly the bit with Alpha Trion building Metroplex from IDW is something that I don't like, but then that's for the respective players of Trion and Metroplex to decide.
Animated is awesome that way. I've never liked Omega's original impractical alternate modes. I mean, sure, a rocket and a tank and a base is cool, but a single gigantic alternate mode like WFC and Animated always made more sense to me. That's my two cents, though. And I've always liked Animated showing Omega Supreme as the Autobots' ship.I really like Blackjack's idea of having Omega Supreme be the Autobots' spaceship, actually. It would give the Autobots an immediate goal other than survival: getting the resources they need to bring Omega back online so that they can turn him loose on the Decepticons. The Decepticons' ship could be a badly-damaged Trypticon (Or maybe Tidal Wave? Mostly because it would be a good pun if the Decepticons' base ends up underwater like in the cartoon, but also 'cause then we could hold Trypticon back to be Metroplex's opposite number.) too, and both factions could be in a race to see who reactivates their superweapon first? Obviously culminating it the two of them pound the crap out of each other in a public place.
Meanwhile, Tidal Wave is seven levels of awesome if we get to use him, but then Trypticon would be even more awesome. I agree with Warcry holding Trypticon in reserve until Metroplex shows up... but traditions are made to be broken. Unleash Trypticon, I say!
I doubt there'd be the time to build anything over the amount of time that we've talked about spending on Cybertron. Certainly not a citybot that's being built in secret by one or two people.Blackjack wrote:Or maybe Metroplex could be built in secret by Alpha Trion (or, hell, anyone can do this — say, Grapple) while on Cybertron?
If we're talking about reusing Brave Maximus's story, why not just use Brave Maximus and be done with it?Blackjack wrote:I actually liked the idea of Metroplex having been on Earth in the past. Similar, kind of, to my idea from another thread. Maybe he's sunken like Atlantis?
That's going to be up to Brave since he's the one playing the guy, but unless he's using Crazy Sadist Shattered Glass Alpha Trion I figure you're probably right.Aero Blade wrote:I'm thinking back to the earlier suggestion of Alpha Trion being a figure of the church, and his typical standard role as a senator/political figure, and I just can't see him building a war weapon. Unless we're talking about an extreme personality change on him, Alpha Trion's not the kind to go about building weapons, a stretch to even condone them.
Probably not, no. Developing it and making it work would probably have to go through quite a few steps before we make it to something like Devastator, though.Springer85 wrote:Is gestalt tech available from the start?
Honestly, unless we want to use Metroplex right away (which IMO would be a waste) I think we should wait until we do need him and decide then where he came from.Blackjack wrote:Why must Alpha Trion build Metroplex anyway? I liked the whole Autobots-build-Metroplex-on-Earth after they made an alliance with the humans thing that we have in Marvel comics and IIRC Dreamwave. Honestly the bit with Alpha Trion building Metroplex from IDW is something that I don't like, but then that's for the respective players of Trion and Metroplex to decide.
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It could be done halfway through by the time our RPG started... I'm just saying, though. Personally I think the origin would be better explored during the course of our RPG itself, something of a goal, a plot device to work to.Warcry wrote:I doubt there'd be the time to build anything over the amount of time that we've talked about spending on Cybertron. Certainly not a citybot that's being built in secret by one or two people.
It's been used before? I... didn't know that. RID, right? Haven't watched the series yet. Damned cliches...If we're talking about reusing Brave Maximus's story, why not just use Brave Maximus and be done with it?
The Duocons, and maybe Omega Supreme? Omega Supreme is technically a combiner, and IIRC Marvel comics had the Autobots build Omega with data from Devastator. Or something along those lines. I vaguely remember Bumblebee recording Devastator combining to create Omega.... or was that Superion?Probably not, no. Developing it and making it work would probably have to go through quite a few steps before we make it to something like Devastator, though.
Eh, nevermind.
Honestly, unless we want to use Metroplex right away (which IMO would be a waste) I think we should wait until we do need him and decide then where he came from.