What is your opinion of multiple Cyclonus's?

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:20 pm

Do you like the idea that there is more of the same mold of Cyclonus that Unicron can produce as a grunt worker/slave? It makes sense given the fact that there are countless seeker jets,as well as more than 1 sweep.

Cyberman · Post by **Cyberman** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:38 am

Didn´t the seekers have different personalities?

What do you mean by "multiple Cyconus's"? Clones, like the Sweeps, or like the Seeker, with independent personality, but Cyclonus as their leader.
The latter I like.

God Jinrai · Post by **God Jinrai** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:55 am

the idea I'm getting from the DW comic is simply that the cyclonus we see bustin out.. is the real deal G1 dude. no drones or nothin. but he would be the next step of evolution for unicron's minions. Makes no sense if uni were gonna make multiples of cyclonus. he's got all the frippin sweeps.

Zizicez · Post by **Zizicez** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:51 am

well as long as i dont EVER see:

Sunclonus
Cywarp
or
Thundercloner

ill be cool, i think

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i have to try this little guy

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bluekatt · Post by **bluekatt** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:22 am

Originally posted by Cyberman
Didn´t the seekers have different personalities?

What do you mean by "multiple Cyconus's"? Clones, like the Sweeps, or like the Seeker, with independent personality, but Cyclonus as their leader.
The latter I like.

id have to agree there a group of cyclonus like seekers each with their own personality and cyclonus as their leader would work
that is maybe the way it was suposed to be

Arcee · Post by **Arcee** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:41 am

Well, there were two "Cyclonuses" in the movie, albeit only for a short time...

And didn't they originally plan for Cyclonus to have a whole group of lookalikes serving under him (hence the line about "his Armada")?

Don't know if it would have been a good idea. It could have been cool, but on the other hand, there already was a group of "they all look the same" Transformers (the Sweeps), so it could have looked like a bit of "overkill" to have a second one.

bluekatt · Post by **bluekatt** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:15 am

that was what i was reffering too
and i agreee it might have bene cut short because it might have been over kill to have both sweeps and cyclonus drones
but it might be because the cartoon creators fumbeld the ball

King Fargo · Post by **King Fargo** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:55 am

How about....

Unicron did create an armada of Cycloni, but gave them about as much intelligence as your average Dinobot, and bodies with the quality of your average gestalt knock-off. In the ensuing final battle with Unicron, all the clones were killed, but Cyclonus, being of superior mind and body, survived to witness Season 3 and beyond.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:38 pm

Originally posted by Arcee
And didn't they originally plan for Cyclonus to have a whole group of lookalikes serving under him (hence the line about "his Armada")?

According to draft script of TF:TM, yes.

I believe the other Cyclonus in The Movie, is what left of that armada after the idea was scrapped. And Unicron's line of course.

Fireflight · Post by **Fireflight** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:50 pm

Originally posted by God Jinrai
the idea I'm getting from the DW comic is simply that the cyclonus we see bustin out.. is the real deal G1 dude. no drones or nothin. but he would be the next step of evolution for unicron's minions.

The way I see it is that Unicron is producing a fleet on Cyclonus', but one of those (probably the one we did see bursting out) will be named Cyclonus.

Bombshell · Post by **Bombshell** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:22 am

Well, the Cyclonus shown in the movie only seemed to have one purpose: Be Galvatron's grunt man, not showcasing any type of personality whatsoever.

Of course, it's the Cyclonus seen after the series that most people identify with: The cold, honorable warrior who was pretty much the only thing keeping the Decepticons together.

Now, as for the "multiple Cyclonus" theory, I do believe that Cyclonus was meant to be a singular person, with no drones whatsoever. Yeah, there was a second Cyclonus, but I consider that to be little more than one of the series many animation errors. And let's face it, as great as the movie was in terms of animation, it didn't exactly escape the "error free" zone. This just happens to be the most well known error.

Now, in regards to the Dreamwave continutity (of which I appear to be the only once accepting as true fact), I think that after the situation in which Scourge and his Sweep drones fail in their mission, Unicron, upon awakening, would create a single warrior to do his bidding. In the absence of a Megatron corpse to reform as Galvatron, he used the materials he got from consuming Lithone to create Cyclonus.

Arcee · Post by **Arcee** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:38 am

Originally posted by Bombshell

Now, as for the "multiple Cyclonus" theory, I do believe that Cyclonus was meant to be a singular person, with no drones whatsoever. Yeah, there was a second Cyclonus, but I consider that to be little more than one of the series many animation errors.

That's well possible; but if so, how would you explain the line, "Cyclonus, the warrior, and his Armada"? Unless the "Armada" could have been something else?

Bombshell · Post by **Bombshell** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:46 am

Originally posted by Arcee
how would you explain the line, "Cyclonus, the warrior, and his Armada"?

Typo.

Arcee · Post by **Arcee** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:53 am

You mean as in "A Prime Problem", when Trailbreaker gets called "Trailblazer"? Again, possible. But there is a certain symmetry to Scourge being introduced with his identical minions ("Scourge, the tracker, and his huntsmen, the Sweeps"), and Cyclonus being introduced with "his Armada" that makes it look intentional.

(Not saying this to put down your opinion, just making a point.)

Bombshell · Post by **Bombshell** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:00 am

Originally posted by Arcee
You mean as in "A Prime Problem", when Trailbreaker gets called "Trailblazer"?

Not really. I mean, is there any proof that the script for the episode says "Trailblazer?" I mean, for all we know, Peter Cullen slipped on the tongue that day, and said the wrong name. The cartoon was famous for being made at such a quick pace. Errors like this happened all the time, most likely before they could be corrected.

Still, you could assume that the "Armada" was meant to be Scourge and the Sweeps. I mean, does anyone have a copy of the script handy to prove me wrong? *

* = And by "script", I mean "actual" shooting script, not one of those fanmade things.

Arcee · Post by **Arcee** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:02 am

Originally posted by Bombshell
Still, you could assume that the "Armada" was meant to be Scourge and the Sweeps.

Good point.

E Nice · Post by **E Nice** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:52 am

Originally posted by King Fargo
How about....

Unicron did create an armada of Cycloni, but gave them about as much intelligence as your average Dinobot, and bodies with the quality of your average gestalt knock-off. In the ensuing final battle with Unicron, all the clones were killed, but Cyclonus, being of superior mind and body, survived to witness Season 3 and beyond.

FFoD Pt.5 Cybertron's skies are full of Cycloni.

Bombshell · Post by **Bombshell** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:03 am

Originally posted by E Nice
FFoD Pt.5 Cybertron's skies are full of Cycloni.

Oh, please. Don't get me started on FFoD.