Is He Irish?

Dinobot · Post by **Dinobot** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:36 am

I met this person online once who said he was Irish. This was because his great grandparents were. He had never been to Ireland and in my opinion is not Irish so I told him that and he got extremely offended and was like "I'm more Irish than you," which is true because I'm British. Anyway, born and raised in the US, never been to Ireland - is he Irish?

Plasmodium · Post by **Plasmodium** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:45 am

Partially. Partially does not equal nothing, so yes, he is Irish.

Blues Clues · Post by **Blues Clues** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:13 am

He'd have some Irish in him, but that doesn't make him Irish. My mum is Scottish, doesn't mean i am, i'm Australian.

RID Scourge · Post by **RID Scourge** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:38 am

He may not be an Irish citizen, but he has Irish descent. Therefore, he's ethnically Irish, so yes, he is Irish.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:05 am

I generally don't understand why people in the US associate themselves with old European ethnic backgrounds. Most people that say that they are Irish or German or other don't even follow any of the cultural aspects of said ethnic backgrounds, which doesn't make them jack to what their background is. If this person doesn't follow anything related to the Irish background, and lives in America, then his ethnic background is American only, as he has lost his ties to his background. However, if he does follow anything in that background, then I would say to a degree only, nothing more.

ThunderCracker84 · Post by **ThunderCracker84** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:07 am

He's got Irish blood in him...so yeah...he is definately Irish.

Im the same way, never been to Ireland myself, though I plan to. Born and raised in the US, but I've got my Irish pride. Just as much as I got my German pride. I'm split half and half.

Dinobot · Post by **Dinobot** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:12 am

Im the same way, never been to Ireland myself, though I plan to. Born and raised in the US, but I've got my Irish pride. Just as much as I got my German pride. I'm split half and half.

See, in my opinion you're no more Irish than I'm Marsian. Irish pride? I hate to tell you this but Ireland is a dreary **** hole.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:17 am

Originally posted by Galvatron84

Marsian

Uhh... do you mean Martian? Never heard of Marsia:p

ThunderCracker84 · Post by **ThunderCracker84** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:23 am

Originally posted by Galvatron84
See, in my opinion you're no more Irish than I'm Marsian. Irish pride? I hate to tell you this but Ireland is a dreary **** hole.

so what...its pride of my heritage more than of the country

Dinobot · Post by **Dinobot** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:42 am

Originally posted by Ultimate Weapon
Uhh... do you mean Martian? Never heard of Marsia:p

It's a little island to the west of Ireland.
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so what...its pride of my heritage more than of the country

Ah, I see.

Sixswitch · Post by **Sixswitch** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 11:17 am

No, he isn't. He wasn't born there. He hasn't lived there long enough to gain citizenship (5 years I believe). So he's not Irish. Simple as that really. He might be of Irish descent, but he's not Irish. There's a difference there.

I've commented before that I don't understand the fixation that seems to be popular in the US about claiming to be another nationality. Still don't, for that matter.

-Ss

Blues Clues · Post by **Blues Clues** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:25 pm

Originally posted by ThunderCracker84
He's got Irish blood in him...so yeah...he is definately Irish.

Im the same way, never been to Ireland myself, though I plan to. Born and raised in the US, but I've got my Irish pride. Just as much as I got my German pride. I'm split half and half.

Not having a go at you, but if you're born and rasied in the US, wouldn't you pride yourself 100% in being American? Like i said before, my mum's scottish, but i take great pride in being Australian. Easier to hang sh*t on the English that way

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Sixswitch · Post by **Sixswitch** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:30 pm

Originally posted by Blues Clues
Not having a go at you, but if you're born and rasied in the US, wouldn't you pride yourself 100% in being American? Like i said before, my mum's scottish, but i take great pride in being Australian. Easier to hang sh*t on the English that way .

That's what confuses me too, to be honest. Not that I'm bashing the viewpoint. I just don't understand it.

Cliffjumper · Post by **Cliffjumper** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:26 pm

M'eh, I tend to give my nationality as Dutch from my great-grandparents, simply to avoid petty, cliched British infighting... If you give your nationality as English, you get people from Wales/Scotland/wherever going "ha ha we're better than you at whatever" whether I give a damn or not. An amusing thing to do with Provincialists is to ask them to speak some of their country's anguage [I know Ss speaks Welsh, so I'm not getting at him]... I speak more Welsh than a fairly large majority of the Welsh population, which is a shame as it's rather a nice language.

Sixswitch · Post by **Sixswitch** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:58 pm

Originally posted by Quicksilver
[I know Ss speaks Welsh, so I'm not getting at him]

And proud of it.

But that's another interesting point. I guess that there's a difference between being a nationality, and feeling that you identify culturally with the nation. Some people I know are Welsh in name only, and might as well be another nationality for the amount of identity they share with the country. Other people I know are more Welsh than many Welshmen I know, despite being English. Usually these people live on the border (Gloucester for instance).

Tis a mildly interesting fact.

-Ss

Cliffjumper · Post by **Cliffjumper** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:02 pm

Yeh... my favourite one was in secondary school, the Welsh guys would fervently support the national rugby team, and being English whether you liked or cared about rugby was not a thing to be whenever Wales beat England in rugby in that place, and yet in football would support England on the grounds that Wales were rubbish.... I mean, que?

Sixswitch · Post by **Sixswitch** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:11 pm

Originally posted by Quicksilver
Yeh... my favourite one was in secondary school, the Welsh guys would fervently support the national rugby team, and being English whether you liked or cared about rugby was not a thing to be whenever Wales beat England in rugby in that place, and yet in football would support England on the grounds that Wales were rubbish.... I mean, que?

Can't answer that. Other than to say that they were idiots. Ah well.

-Ss

Amnesia · Post by **Amnesia** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:03 pm

I agree with Sixswitch. I also never understood that. If our ancestors determined our nationality we'd all be African anyway.

Jonin · Post by **Jonin** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:55 pm

He would be of Irish Descent.

I'm of part Irish and part Scottish Descent myself, but I'm all Canadian!

( until I someday become part British.

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Halfshell · Post by **Halfshell** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:02 pm

Originally posted by Jonin
( until I someday become part British. )

Well, you'll be able to claim citizenship... it's not as if your actual make-up's gonna change overnight

Somebody's nationality is determined by their country of birth and that of their parents. Grandparents can determine heritage and descent, but not nationality.