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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Warcry » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:37 am

Denyer wrote:
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CW/POTP "Guard City"
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Inferno_Combiner

Inferno, Alpha Bravo, Groove, Prowl and Rook. A mostly white set that gives a cohensive look and fairly close to the classic scans of a half-arsed Defensor repaint.
For some reason this possibility never occurred to me and now I'm sad that I didn't get some of those guys. Guard City always had that "unobtainable Japanese exclusive" mystique, and zigzagger made him actually cool on top of that.
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(3P) Fansproject Dinoichi ("Slog")
https://tfsource.com/fansproject/dino-ichi/

Also a favourite character.
I loved the look of this set when it came out. If I'd known that it hit clearance I would have picked up their version of my boy Wildfly. Though probably not from TFSource because I don't want my credit card information winding up in the hands of some unscrupulous distant cousin back in the old country...
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(3P) Mastermind Creations Anubis
https://tfsource.com/mastermind-creations/r-18-anubis/

As good as representation of Death's Head as I think we're likely to get.
That's gorgeous.

I find it baffling that Hasbro have the Marvel license but haven't managed to find a way to slip Death's Head into the Legends line. They've made a zillion characters more obscure than that and they even made a bloody Death's Head II. It's not like I'm asking for Circuit Breaker or something!

I'm just realizing now that I took a zillion pictures of my Beast-era collection before Christmas when I was dusting my shelves, and I don't think I've posted any of them here. I also have some older pics kicking around that I'm fond of as well. So I'm going to indulge in spamming this place with Beasties.

I don't think I ever showed off my custom pre-Transmetal Scarem! He's actually made from my childhood Insecticon. Which I never would have replaced if I'd known how easy it would be to disassemble him and take out the little automorph spring after the tiny clip that holds him shut in beast mode broke.
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Iguanus's colour scheme is so damned photogenic...I think I may have taken more outdoor pictures of him than any other figure I own. I don't think I've posted too much of it here but I absolutely love taking outdoor photos of Beast Wars toys in the summertime. These outdoor shots are actually four or five years old, though.

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Manterror is so much fun. It's weird, but it really feels like they deliberately chose the least interesting toys to feature in the first season of the TV show. So many of the non-show guys are so much cooler than the well-known characters.
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Even when they're the same mold, like Buzz Saw here!
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How did I wind up with this many Cheetors? I don't even like Cheetor! I do adore that Transmetal mold, though.
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I think I may actually like Transmetal Terrorsaur more, though! They're both just brilliant designs, and absolutely ahead of their time.
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Clay will like this shot:
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That's enough for now, I think.

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Clay » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:58 am

I like your Insecticon/Scarem repaint! Is it just the green parts you painted?

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This picture is great!
Manterror is so much fun. It's weird, but it really feels like they deliberately chose the least interesting toys to feature in the first season of the TV show. So many of the non-show guys are so much cooler than the well-known characters.
May be on purpose... "this toy doesn't have an interesting design, but its show character has a great personality!"
How did I wind up with this many Cheetors? I don't even like Cheetor! I do adore that Transmetal mold, though.
Are you missing any? It seems like you have all the transmetal versions. And is that the masterpiece figure in there too?
Clay will like this shot
I recognize those! :wave:

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by zigzagger » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:33 am

Warcry wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:37 am
Guard City always had that "unobtainable Japanese exclusive" mystique, and zigzagger made him actually cool on top of that.
Who, me? Awwwwwwww! :love:
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Okay, I'll bite.

Had pull out the ol' tubs for this one, but some of my most cherished bots are from the Beast-era. Sharing some of my more "prized" pieces--and hey, I got plenty of other beasties to share my thoughts on if anyone's interested.

Going with three picks for now.

Beast Machines Primal Prime

At the time, I was lucky to pick this up at a not-so exorbitant price (I think around 60-70 dollars), as nowadays, its appears to go for about ~300 bucks on the aftermarket.

At any rate, I love this piece! Yes, the tertiary modes are a bit crap (and yet somehow also fun due to their absurdity), but the robot mode has PRESENCE. Switching on those LEDs cranks up that presence even further, with some rather excellent green light-piping.

I am definitely partial to this deco over Optimal Optimus's (more well-known) yellow and blue. It's iconic in it's own right, but also that cherry-red and sapphire blue chrome is freaking gorgeous.

I am missing his rifle, but, meh, I don't think it's much of a loss; the hulking design doesn't really suit such a puny weapon, anyway, especially when it already has two honking cannons on its shoulders.
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Robots In Disguise Cryotek

Barely inching out TM2 Megatron, but with paintwork and detailing as beautiful as this--in gradients of blue and purple--how could it not. He is one bedazzled beast. Cryotek knows how fabulous he looks.

The articulation in the dragon mode's neck does leave me wanting, and pose-ability options are somewhat lacking, but they simply do not make toys like this anymore--and never will again. A toy in this scale, with this many moving parts, that is molded almost entirely asymmetrical, and has this level of detail would be an impossibility nowadays.
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Universe Razorclaw

This is one that I actually grabbed in-store waaaaaaay back when. But, I'm guessing y'all might be detecting a pattern here; it's another redeco, and as far as my interests go, it is another good one. Razorclaw's black, purple, and maroon attire is a lot more appealing to me than what this mold was initially deco-ed in.

That said, aesthetically, Razorclaw/Tigerhawk look like an avenging archangel, all grimacing with wings splayed. It's definitely a look, but why didn't this thing come with a sword? It needs a sword. It would complete the look, truly.
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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Warcry » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:29 am

Clay wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:58 am
I like your Insecticon/Scarem repaint! Is it just the green parts you painted?
It's actually another of my adventures in dyeing! I was trying to turn the green bits orange like TM2 Scarem, but overdid it because I wasn't sure exactly what colour mix I needed. But the blood red looks so cool that I think I need to start pretending it was on purpose. I've pondered on and off whether I should paint any of the other parts but for now everything else is the stock colours.
Clay wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:58 am
This picture is great!
Thanks! It's one of my favourites.
Clay wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:58 am
Are you missing any? It seems like you have all the transmetal versions. And is that the masterpiece figure in there too?
I'm missing quite a few, actually. They've made a silly number of Cheetors over the years. But I think the only one that I really notice is that I don't have a TM2 Cheetor. I always liked the design on the show, but the toy is super ugly. The Gathering comic made me want the Ravage redeco but I've never really looked for that either.

That is indeed the Masterpiece in the back. He's terrible! Partly because of overly complex engineering but mostly because I always forget how flat-out ugly Cheetor's show model was compared to the simple but elegant toy.
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:58 am
I recognize those! :wave:
Depth Charge is an absolute gem of a toy that I never really took the time to appreciate him until my son fell in love with it (Jamie has decided that his defining character trait is that he gets very angry at ceiling fans.) He's just huge and really tough to display anywhere. And Megatron is, of course, Megatron so he's awesome.

Sky-Byte keeps leaving me angry haikus griping that the other two get played with more.
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:33 am
Who, me? Awwwwwwww! :love:
You made every Protectobot and Protectobot-adjacent character awesome. Don't pretend you didn't!
zigzagger wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:33 am
Beast Machine's Primal Prime

Robots In Disguise Cryotek
Either you have excellent taste or you know exactly which toys to post to make me jealous (or both)! I love the looks of both of these. Unfortunately they're two of the most expensive retail Beast-era releases out there. Primal Prime is even creeping up on the same level of "ridiculously unattainable" as Antagony or Metals Ravage.

I'm actually still a bit upset that they made a new Optimal Optimus mold a few years ago and didn't make a new Primal Prime out of it. A part of me is holding out hope that it might show up as a topical Selects release alongside the Kingdom stuff.
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A toy in this scale, with this many moving parts, that is molded almost entirely asymmetrical, and has this level of detail would be an impossibility nowadays.
This is exactly why I'm so in love with Beast Wars molds. The beautiful hand-sculpted details, the deliberate asymmetry, the willingness to just be plain weird... I feel like the style of the Kenner Beast Wars molds were basically perfect for robots that turned into living things. The Kingdom toys are great, but they lack the same oomph because they have the same sterile "designed to be micron-perfect in CAD software" feel as the modern G1 stuff does.
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:33 am
This is one that I actually grabbed in-store waaaaaaay back when. But, I'm guessing y'all might be detecting a pattern here; it's another redeco, and as far as my interests go, it is another good one. Razorclaw's black, purple, and maroon attire is a lot more appealing to me than what this mold was initially deco-ed in.
Razorclaw is 50% of the reason for me falling in love with Beast stuff when I got back into the fandom in the early 2000s (Universe Silverbolt was the other half). I remember seeing Tigerhawk in stores as a teen and thinking he didn't look as cool as the Optimal Optimuses and Dragon Megatrons on the shelves beside him. As an adult, I think the reason why he didn't impress me was that the white and the chrome drowned out a lot of the detail in the mold. Razorclaw's black and purple do SO much better at showing those details off, though I still wish he'd gotten a bit more paint. He's one of the few Universe beasts that they didn't absolutely go to town on with painted detail.
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:33 am
That said, aesthetically, Razorclaw/Tigerhawk look like an avenging archangel, all grimacing with wings splayed. It's definitely a look, but why didn't this thing come with a sword? It needs a sword. It would complete the look, truly.
He's pretty much the angel of death, isn't he? A sword really would complete the look. And the wings give him so much presence. He and Gigatron are my two favourite-looking big bad guys from the Beast era and the wings absolutely make the look in both cases.

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Denyer » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:54 pm

Love the outdoor pics with BW figures. And I remember Cryotek getting a lot of love way back when, but haven't seen one in years and looking at it now it's easy to see why it's always been such a favourite for people.

Primal Prime is one I do kind of regret moving on and would pick up a modern redeco of if it isn't some super-rare and expensive release. Out of all of the BM toys and the few I got, it was just fun, and a present from an ex.
Warcry wrote:That's gorgeous.
Wouldn't be worth anything like what they've got it listed as -- it was less than half that at the time of release. Even though the head sculpt isn't perfect, the effort they went to with the weapons and way the cloak is integrated is impressive though.

I'd quite like a halfway decent Blackrock and Circuit Breaker. Not the other Neo-Knights, but they were more influential in the comics than the human characters were ever interesting in the show.

Maybe in the Super7 Ultimates line, which already has some quite random picks...

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by zigzagger » Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:59 am

Warcry wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:29 am

Either you have excellent taste or you know exactly which toys to post to make me jealous (or both)! I love the looks of both of these. Unfortunately they're two of the most expensive retail Beast-era releases out there. Primal Prime is even creeping up on the same level of "ridiculously unattainable" as Antagony or Metals Ravage.
I wanted to start big ;) Don't think I have anything else in my Beasties collection that's as "unattainable" as those two, sans a few Takara Metals figures, like Megatron and Tarantulas. TM2 Blackarachnia looks to fetch a hefty price these days, too, soooo... maybe her..??

But, no Shokaracts over here.
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:54 pm
And I remember Cryotek getting a lot of love way back when, but haven't seen one in years and looking at it now it's easy to see why it's always been such a favourite for people.
As I said before, it's a lovely piece of toy engineering by itself (and I neglected to mention those wraith-like wings; they're amazing), but there's just something really special about that color scheme that places it well above TM2 Megatron.
I'm actually still a bit upset that they made a new Optimal Optimus mold a few years ago and didn't make a new Primal Prime out of it.
It did seem like a missed opportunity there, didn't it? Like, it was totally an obvious repaint.

But what better time than now for a new Primal Prime? Considering we're recently gotten updates to just about the entire 1987 catalogue, of all things, it's really just a question of "when" rather than "if" Hastak will move on to updated Transmetals.

I mean, who'd a thunk Hasbro would revisit the entire first season cast of Beast Wars, right? And here I was over here thinking folks would continue to get the odd Beast Wars throwback or homage (or another Cheetor) mixed in with the usual Generation One rehashes.
This is exactly why I'm so in love with Beast Wars molds. The beautiful hand-sculpted details, the deliberate asymmetry, the willingness to just be plain weird... I feel like the style of the Kenner Beast Wars molds were basically perfect for robots that turned into living things. The Kingdom toys are great, but they lack the same oomph because they have the same sterile "designed to be micron-perfect in CAD software" feel as the modern G1 stuff does.
The earlier Kenner stuff is a mixed bag for me, though I think they were still trying to find their footing during that period. Transmetals and onward, for me, is where I think they found their groove. Ideas seemed more fleshed-out and realized. Concepts got a bit more interesting, and creative and, like you said, weird. And I fucking love weird. It was also where we started to see a lot more of those asymmetrical designs, too. I dig those deliberate "imperfections"; it gave the characters (in toy form) so much personality. Like, look at TM2 Scourge (who I'll share in a bit; he's a fav); what a wonderfully ugly bastard he is. One look at him, and you can work out his allegiance and disposition.

Not at all a "sterile" design philosophy. There's life in these old Beast Wars toys.

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Well, that was a tangent. Sorry about that.
Razorclaw's black and purple do SO much better at showing those details off, though I still wish he'd gotten a bit more paint. He's one of the few Universe beasts that they didn't absolutely go to town on with painted detail.
It does... though I agree, more detail could've helped. Now that you mention it, it's reminiscent of that black Airazor repaint; needed just a teensy bit more of something to make things pop.

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Warcry » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:32 am

Denyer wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:54 pm
Love the outdoor pics with BW figures.
I do a lot of outdoor photos but never seem to actually get around to posting them. I really enjoy shooting the Beast Wars stuff outside though. I feel like the colours and designs really pop in natural light in ways that carbots or the like just don't.

Denyer wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:54 pm
I'd quite like a halfway decent Blackrock and Circuit Breaker. Not the other Neo-Knights, but they were more influential in the comics than the human characters were ever interesting in the show.
Blackrock would be a super easy custom. Just find the right Tony Stark head and pop it onto a Marvel Legends suit body. Josie, though... If I thought the RED line was going to last more than a year I'd say that she'd be a great candidate for that.

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Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:59 am
I wanted to start big ;) Don't think I have anything else in my Beasties collection that's as "unattainable" as those two, sans a few Takara Metals figures, like Megatron and Tarantulas. TM2 Blackarachnia looks to fetch a hefty price these days, too, soooo... maybe her..??
I'm not even sure what the "rarest" figure in my Beast collection would be. Universe Nemesis Prime, maybe?

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But, no Shokaracts over here.
Is it just me, or do the old-timey 3H BotCon exclusives have way more appeal than more of the FunPub stuff could ever aspire to? I don't know if it's just that they repainted molds from the "right" series, or the serious rarity or just the fact that they felt more special when there was only one or two a year instead of the 486 that FunPub would spam out, but the likes of Onyx Primal, Fractyl, Antagony, Shokaract, TM2 Arcee...in my head at least, those toys are legends.

zigzagger wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:59 am
As I said before, it's a lovely piece of toy engineering by itself (and I neglected to mention those wraith-like wings; they're amazing), but there's just something really special about that color scheme that places it well above TM2 Megatron.
It does the same for me too. TM2 Megatron is a super cool dragon but in robot mode he just looks goofy, and for whatever reason I never get that impression when I look at Cryotek. He's just so much (pardon the pun) cooler than the original.

zigzagger wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:59 am
But what better time than now for a new Primal Prime? Considering we're recently gotten updates to just about the entire 1987 catalogue, of all things, it's really just a question of "when" rather than "if" Hastak will move on to updated Transmetals.
As long as Kingdom sells well I think it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that we'll see Transmetals eventually. But I also feel like there's a whole lot less room for improvement (either in toy engineering or show accuracy) with the Transmetals and Fuzors than there was for the first season designs. I'd definitely be happy to see them but I think Kingdom Blackarachnia and Dinobot are more exciting individually than a whole lineup of season two and three designs would be.

zigzagger wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:59 am
The earlier Kenner stuff is a mixed bag for me, though I think they were still trying to find their footing during that period. Transmetals and onward, for me, is where I think they found their groove.
I think they found their footing sooner than you give them credit for! I feel like folks tend to forget that they put out two whole years' worth of organic beasts before the Transmetals hit, probably because only Airazor and Inferno made the TV show out of the 1997 releases. But the 1997 line was a high point as well. Even the handful of toys that fail as conventional action figures due to their gimmicks (hi, Retrax!) are still fun, and the only absolute dud of the bunch for me is Drill Bit. 1998 may have been even better with the Transmetals and the Fuzors, but if I had to pick my favourite year of the line I think I'd say 1997. Airazor! Razorclaw (not that one or the other one either, the crab)! Powerpinch! Spittor! Cybershark! Manterror! Great stuff.

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Like, look at TM2 Scourge (who I'll share in a bit; he's a fav); what a wonderfully ugly bastard he is. One look at him, and you can work out his allegiance and disposition.
I fell in love with Scourge when I saw his cross-sell on the back of Prowl's card back in the day, and he's even more riotously colourful in person! In fact I love him to the point that I'm currently working on a story that heavily features the guy.

Wait, did I say "riotously colourful"? That sounds like a good segue to my boy Reptilion!

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I love the ghastly little bugger. The mold has so much personality in both modes, it's super poseable and they painted the hell out of it (I think I'm seeing seven different colours of paint). Off the top of my head I'd say he's probably my favourite Universe toy. Not bad for a figure that I only bought because it was at the back of the peg with an inch of dust on it and I felt sorry for the thing. One day I need to find him a TM2 Iguanus to hang out with.


More love for Transmetal Terrorsaur. I feel like I must have taken this shot very quickly because I have no idea how it's balancing like that.

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Living in Canada is good for something!

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This obviously isn't a Beast Wars toy but I really like this shot.

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by zigzagger » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:05 am

Warcry wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:32 am

Is it just me, or do the old-timey 3H BotCon exclusives have way more appeal than more of the FunPub stuff could ever aspire to? I don't know if it's just that they repainted molds from the "right" series, or the serious rarity or just the fact that they felt more special when there was only one or two a year instead of the 486 that FunPub would spam out, but the likes of Onyx Primal, Fractyl, Antagony, Shokaract, TM2 Arcee...in my head at least, those toys are legends.
Nah, it's not just you. The Deathsaurus repaint from Gigatron still looks mighty appealing That mold looks good in blue.

But, I think you pretty much nailed it; a lot of it had to do with the frequency between 3H and Fun Pub's releases. Not to say Fun Pub's ideas were all bad. Pyro/Spark, Clench, Doublepunch, and Scorponok are pretty great, but as you also say, it got spammy real fast.
As long as Kingdom sells well I think it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that we'll see Transmetals eventually. But I also feel like there's a whole lot less room for improvement (either in toy engineering or show accuracy) with the Transmetals and Fuzors than there was for the first season designs. I'd definitely be happy to see them but I think Kingdom Blackarachnia and Dinobot are more exciting individually than a whole lineup of season two and three designs would be.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not interested in the slightest; the originals are perfect (to me) just the way they are. I have no urge for any updates.

Besides... I'd be worried I'd end up with a hollowed-out Transmetal Megatron that's held together with friction joints, and lacking chrome-purple paint [/shaaaaaade].
I think they found their footing sooner than you give them credit for! I feel like folks tend to forget that they put out two whole years' worth of organic beasts before the Transmetals hit, probably because only Airazor and Inferno made the TV show out of the 1997 releases. But the 1997 line was a high point as well. Even the handful of toys that fail as conventional action figures due to their gimmicks (hi, Retrax!) are still fun, and the only absolute dud of the bunch for me is Drill Bit. 1998 may have been even better with the Transmetals and the Fuzors, but if I had to pick my favourite year of the line I think I'd say 1997. Airazor! Razorclaw (not that one or the other one either, the crab)! Powerpinch! Spittor! Cybershark! Manterror! Great stuff.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL of it is iffy. The original Optimus Primal is probably one of the best and the most fun molds in the entire Beast-era. Pretty hard to dispute that. It holds up pretty well.

Tripredicus is pretty nifty too, its individual components and its combined form.

It's down to personal taste, of course, but I do think the lizard and insect formers fared a smidge better than the mammalian formers did during that period. Mind, love it or hate it, kibble is big part of the Beast-era figures; it's never bothered me, but it is a sticking point to others. To me, Beast-era kibble always looked like armor made from the hide of a beast the wearer defeated.

That said--and I soooo know you're gonna disagree :p --the early Predacon molds tended to do a lot more interesting things with that kibble than the early Maximal molds did, and thus I usually preferred the former. With the latter, both bot and beast modes tended be more...compromised, I guess, more so during those years.

Does that make any sense?
"riotously colourful"?
Ooooh, nice segue! Allow me to retort:

Transmetal 2 Scourge -- Scourge checks off so many boxes as to why I appreciate the Beast-era. Earlier in this thread, I was gushing on and on about the design philosophy during this particular period. Scourge practically epitomizes the later-year Beast Wars asymmetry and freaking INSANE attention to detail.

The searing color palette, the deformalities and (again) asymmetry of his limbs, the weird monstrous locust form; these are all deliberate design choices. And, oh my god, it works. It works so well. I said it before, he is an ugly bastard that screams personality, and I f***ing love it. Scourge looks like a being whose body has been twisted and mutated by his own vileness and hatred.
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Transmetal Waspinator -- Often overlooked, since Waspinator never donned his toy-exclusive Transmetal duds in the television series. The original Waspinator is quite the fan favorite; we tend to associate all iterations of the lovable whipping boy with the green guy... and not whoever the hell this red, black, and gold prick is.

And after saying that, I have to admit, Transmetal Waspinator does feel like he's over-compensating for something. :laugh:

But, it's still good, too. Yes, yes, I like the green guy, must of us do, but this is such a cool redesign. I love the techy detailing, the color scheme is popping, and in spite of the insectoid limbs, he's looking pretty dynamic in bot mode. He also has one of the more functional tertiary modes, switching into a silly, but super fun wasp-jet.
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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by StoneCold Skywarp » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:00 am

zigzagger wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:59 am

But, no Shokaracts over here.
The one piece of my BW collection I'm glad I never sold "back in the day" but honestly can't remember now what I did and didn't move on. That said, the BW stuff mostly goes for reasonably inflated prices nowadays and I don't have the display space for figures of that size or calibre anymore.

Even Shokaract just lives in his box, in storage, somewhere.

EDIT : HOLY MOSES! I just had a look how much this goes for...Anyone know where I can get a fireproof safe from!?
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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Sades » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:35 pm

I've recently been thinking that I should pull out and display my BW toys. I have a few out, but not many. BW was definitely my favourite era. Warcry, I love the outdoor pictures!

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Clay » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:20 pm

Looking at secondary market prices now, a lot of my beast wars stuff is really like a dragon's hoard... Only increasing in trade value, but I'll never part with it without being slain by adventurers, lol.

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Sades » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:21 am

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Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:20 pm
Only increasing in trade value
Well, up until the collectors begin to die off en masse anyway. Then they'll be about as valuable as your average bit of Elvis memorabilia.

... This is probably one of those thoughts that should have stayed in my head, but I thought the article was interesting. Sorry. :glance:

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Denyer » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:52 am

I think the difference is that Elvis is likely to retain substantial cultural cachet into the next century, it's just that the bubble's burst on mass-produced stuff connected to him.

There are still new generations getting into Nirvana.

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Sades » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:08 am

Denyer wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:52 am
I think the difference is that Elvis is likely to retain substantial cultural cachet into the next century, it's just that the bubble's burst on mass-produced stuff connected to him.

There are still new generations getting into Nirvana.
Yes! Honestly it's a lazy comparison, collective memory of Elvis will far outlive Transformers. But I read a similar article recently on the subject (colletive memory) and couldn't think of anything comparable that isn't almost directly contemporary.

I was thinking about how collective memory of Transformers was likely to die recently and I think if we keep them around long enough in a few generations the originals, and more unique, better-made lines (my BW bias is showing, eh) might see an increase in value. Assuming space rocks/global warming/misc etc don't obliterate everything first that is.

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Warcry » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:34 am

zigzagger wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:05 am
Don't get me wrong, I'm not interested in the slightest; the originals are perfect (to me) just the way they are. I have no urge for any updates.
I think the most appealing (for me at least) would be the prospect of a mass-retail Beast Wars Ravage.

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Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:05 am
It's down to personal taste, of course, but I do think the lizard and insect formers fared a smidge better than the mammalian formers did during that period. Mind, love it or hate it, kibble is big part of the Beast-era figures; it's never bothered me, but it is a sticking point to others. To me, Beast-era kibble always looked like armor made from the hide of a beast the wearer defeated.
I feel the same way too. Creative use of beast-mode parts in robot mode is what makes most of the most memorable Beast-era designs so good! Not even necessarily just kibble (though stuff like Blackarachnia's spider legs or Silverbolt and Prowl's shoulder wings are a huge part of their appeal) but also things like Megatron's dino head hand, or Air Hammer's fish tail mitten, or Manterror having arms down to his ankles. They did a great job of leveraging unique beast parts to give the figures unique, appealing robot modes as well.

zigzagger wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:05 am
That said--and I soooo know you're gonna disagree :p --the early Predacon molds tended to do a lot more interesting things with that kibble than the early Maximal molds did, and thus I usually preferred the former. With the latter, both bot and beast modes tended be more...compromised, I guess, more so during those years.
I'm right there with you, actually. The Maximals tend to feel a bit...safer I guess in terms of robot mode designs. Maybe because there's a lot of standard four-limbed mammals in their ranks so the designers didn't have to get as creative, or maybe because the designers didn't want to go quite so weird with them because they're the good guys. Some of the best Maximals from the first couple years were the ones with off the beaten path alt-modes like Cybershark or Claw Jaw or Airazor.

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Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:05 am
Transmetal 2 Scourge -- Scourge checks off so many boxes as to why I appreciate the Beast-era. Earlier in this thread, I was gushing on and on about the design philosophy during this particular period. Scourge practically epitomizes the later-year Beast Wars asymmetry and freaking INSANE attention to detail.
I feel like the Transmetal 2s had to walk a very thin line because it's very easy to make an ugly toy with that design approach, and a lot harder to make a good-looking one. Scarem and Sonar are two that fall on the wrong side of the line for me, figures that try hard but just aren't very appealing. Even Dinobot II is kind of a mess..."velociraptor skeleton that got assimilated by the Borg" is a great sale pitch but the actual toy is so busy that it's hard to tell what's what.

Scourge saw that line, laughed in its face and painted himself orange and red and purple and lime green to spite it. He might be the most batshit figure from the entire toyline, and when that toyline also contains Injector, that's saying something! He's awesome in the original, literal meaning of the word -- I'm in awe that this glorious horror show exists, and it's one of the most memorable Transformers you'll ever see.

How's his chrome holding up? Mine has sadly flaked a ton so I don't really handle it anymore.

zigzagger wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:05 am
Transmetal Waspinator
I've had one bookmarked on eBay for a while now and your picture made me go and buy it. That's not what I think when I think "Waspinator" either but it looks so cool.

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Even Shokaract just lives in his box, in storage, somewhere.

EDIT : HOLY MOSES! I just had a look how much this goes for...Anyone know where I can get a fireproof safe from!?
It's crazy, isn't it? The price of Beast Wars stuff in general has gone up a lot in the past decade, albeit from a very low starting point for some of it (in the early 2010s I bought some MOSC figures at toy shows for barely above 90s retail!). But the exclusives? Yowza! The prices don't seem to be anywhere near flattening out either, they're more expensive every time I look them up. But when there were only 700 or so of each of them made, I guess that's no surprise.

Ironically, with so much of the Japanese BW lines being so accessible thanks to the Korean releases that places like BBTS were flooded with for a decade, BotCon toys are probably the closest the Beast Wars generation of fans has to what Artfire or Stepper or Minerva were to G1 fans in the early 2000s.
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I've recently been thinking that I should pull out and display my BW toys. I have a few out, but not many. BW was definitely my favourite era. Warcry, I love the outdoor pictures!
Glad you're enjoying them!

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Universe Frostbite is a great example of what the Universe line did really, really well. It takes an old toy and takes it in such a drastically different direction that it's hardly even recognizable. Sadly I don't have a Jawbreaker, but if you Google the two of them together you'll see that it'd be basically impossible to make the two of them any more different than they are. Frostbite's calmer colour scheme also really, really emphasizes the cyborg nature of the design. The TM2s have so much bling that sometimes it's hard to look past it and remember just how unnatural these guys are supposed to look. He's a really well-designed beast with a lot of great sculpting.

So it's definitely a disappointment that he turns into a dorky midget with ridiculous shoulder kibble. :(

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Also not a Beastie but definitely someone who should have their picture taken in nature. (I really should take more pictures in the fall..)

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by zigzagger » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:46 am

Warcry wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:34 am

I feel the same way too. Creative use of beast-mode parts in robot mode is what makes most of the most memorable Beast-era designs so good...

..... They did a great job of leveraging unique beast parts to give the figures unique, appealing robot modes as well.

... Maybe because there's a lot of standard four-limbed mammals in their ranks so the designers didn't have to get as creative, or maybe because the designers didn't want to go quite so weird with them because they're the good guys.
And to be fair, I think it was probably easier for the designers to work with insectoids. Real life arachnids and insects do not have musculature per se, or claws, or are covered in fur; they have exoskeletons, and pincers, and stingers. Pincers make for easy (and rather nifty) hands. Sleek exoskeletons mean there's less need to create cumbersome outer-shells. Stingers make for obvious weapons.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:34 am

How's his chrome holding up? Mine has sadly flaked a ton so I don't really handle it anymore.
Oh, I knew exactly what I was getting into beforehand with Scourge. I knew of the rumors, and, sadly, experienced severe flaking firsthand with my Takara Metals Rampage (such a good deco, too :( )

I found a carded Scourge for a fairly pretty decent price at the time (I think around 30 dollars). Didn't want to risk getting something that was already flaking. Shortly after taking it out and handling it for a bit, Scourge got a nice protective clear coat.

Annnnnd, it seems to have worked like a charm. Not a single flake to this date.
Warcry wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:34 am
I've had one bookmarked on eBay for a while now and your picture made me go and buy it. That's not what I think when I think "Waspinator" either but it looks so cool.
Sweet! Glad I could be a bad influence. :devil:
Warcry wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:34 am
Universe Frostbite
Oooh, he is nice. The purple does stand out a bit more than I thought it would (figured the details would've gotten lost in all that white).

I have been debating tracking one down, as I do have a Jawbreaker, and I very much dig him. He's got a great gnarly beast mode, looking almost villainous in spite of being a "Heroic Maximal" (I'm thinking he'll probably find his way in this thread at some point with my TM2 Tripredacus Agent)

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Clay » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:52 pm

Sades wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:08 am
Yes! Honestly it's a lazy comparison, collective memory of Elvis will far outlive Transformers. But I read a similar article recently on the subject (colletive memory) and couldn't think of anything comparable that isn't almost directly contemporary.

I was thinking about how collective memory of Transformers was likely to die
Huh?

Elvis is defunct. Historically important and entertaining, yes, but there will be no 'new' Elvis since he's dead.

Transformers as a brand is alive and well, and creating new fans left and right. It's incredibly myopic to think that it'll wane just because the original audience is older. It's sort of like saying Barbie is defunct because the girls that it was marketed to back in the 1950s are seniors now, or that Ironman and the Avengers will be completely forgotten soon because those comics were from back in the 1960s and the kids that bought them at the time are the only people that will ever be relevant to their success. It's silly. You're silly. :o

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by StoneCold Skywarp » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:24 pm

Clay wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:52 pm
It's silly. You're silly. :o
It's spelled Sadie.
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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by Sades » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:47 pm

Clay wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:52 pm
Huh?

Elvis is defunct. Historically important and entertaining, yes, but there will be no 'new' Elvis since he's dead.
In terms of new musical talent with a popularity that might rival his, it's already happened at least a couple of times depending on perspective.

Clay wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:52 pm
It's incredibly myopic to think that it'll wane
I don't think I'm communicating effectively. I didn't mean "die recently", that was more a "mental speech to text" thing. I meant "I was thinking recently on how the franchise was likely to die". Which it most definitely will, at some point.
StoneCold Skywarp wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:24 pm
Clay wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:52 pm
It's silly. You're silly. :o
It's spelled Sadie.
Wrong, Grandma, It's Sades. :p

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Re: Remembering that our old toys actually exist!

Post by StoneCold Skywarp » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:45 pm

Sades wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:47 pm
Wrong, Grandma, It's Sades. :p


Nope, Saysadie. It's not :p

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